MikeM

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Sep 21, 2008
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Baggio, my friend, you are crediting all of Marotta's immense moves to luck or happen stance and quite frankly that's 100% bullshit.

Like it or not, he's responsible for Barzagli, Bonucci, Lichtsteiner in defence and Vidal, Pirlo, Pogba in midfield. And quite frankly you can stuff that Conte shit because all those players are huge for their national teams as well and barely had any connection with Conte prior to Juventus. Pogba was starting for France against Spain.

Conte should thank his lucky stars every night before he goes to bed for the fucking gift Marotta put right in his hands. And that's just one player.
 

baggio

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Jun 3, 2003
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Baggio, my friend, you are crediting all of Marotta's immense moves to luck or happen stance and quite frankly that's 100% bullshit.

Like it or not, he's responsible for Barzagli, Bonucci, Lichtsteiner in defence and Vidal, Pirlo, Pogba in midfield. And quite frankly you can stuff that Conte shit because all those players are huge for their national teams as well and barely had any connection with Conte prior to Juventus. Pogba was starting for France against Spain.

Conte should thank his lucky stars every night before he goes to bed for the fucking gift Marotta put right in his hands. And that's just one player.
Yes, clearly there isn't any logic to say that he was selling the very players that are now part of our 'world class' setup. And you like Marrotta knew that Barzagli and Pirlo were going to be the players that they ended up being. No luck. All bullshit for sure. The market scenarios didn't exist at all. I just made them all up.

Excuse me but what Conte shit? The fact that he blocked Pepe from moving to Zenit? In fact there's even a theory (not one that I know about, maybe Mark or someone would know better) that says that Marrotta wanted Inler and Conte blocked the move and Juve went with Vidal. What I do remember though, is that we were extremely close to signing Inler at the time.

To the best of my knowledge the Pogba game you're talking about is the one he got sent off in, was a WC qualifier after signing for us and playing like he did here under Conte.
 

Zacheryah

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Aug 29, 2010
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Baggio, its time to give up.

From trying to prove the great man is wrong, wich he isnt , you went to this mockery

"every good deal was luck"

"he wanted to sell all the current good players"

"It was conte who held his hand"


Answer me this question. If Conte had a say in any fucking major player for us, then why did he go so far as threatening to leave, in order to have A SAY IN OUR TRANSFERS.

Conte didnt decide jack shit in transfers. He is the coach and freaking good at it. Every player is marotta's.

The only player of with there is proof that conte wanted him, is giaccherini


DO YOU LOVE GIACCHERINI ?
 

baggio

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Jun 3, 2003
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I wonder what everyone will complain about if/when he gets quality strikers this mercato
Why does it become a complaint when Marrotta's role in our success is being exaggerated ahead of Conte's?

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Answer me this question. If Conte had a say in any fucking major player for us, then why did he go so far as threatening to leave, in order to have A SAY IN OUR TRANSFERS.

The only player of with there is proof that conte wanted him, is giaccherini
?
I wonder why that is? Must be really happy with how the transfers are playing out.
 

Zacheryah

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Aug 29, 2010
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Is that so ?

Its conte who said in front of camera "higuain, ibrahimovic, jovetic and tevez arent enough to win the championsleague"

So, going out against the future winners, what is there to complain ?

especially when the board objective was QF
 

baggio

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Jun 3, 2003
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Is that so ?

Its conte who said in front of camera "higuain, ibrahimovic, jovetic and tevez arent enough to win the championsleague"

So, going out against the future winners, what is there to complain ?

especially when the board objective was QF
Why do you think he said that? To take the pressure off and show some respect to his current crop? Or he actually meant that the team at his disposal is good enough? Of course you know what the board objective was. Had we won it, that's what the objective would've been according to you.

Marrotta has used names like Aguero, RvP, Pastore, Benzema, saying those are the profiles we needed. and when he fails after saying those names, Conte must be considered the lucky one. Seriously.
 

Zacheryah

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Aug 29, 2010
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You are just a person, that doesnt understand how finances work and everything that comes to it, but yet demand the shiny and fancy that richer teams want, and becomes very upset when it doesnt happen.

Like a toddler in a candystore
 

baggio

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Jun 3, 2003
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You are just a person, that doesnt understand how finances work and everything that comes to it, but yet demand the shiny and fancy that richer teams want, and becomes very upset when it doesnt happen.

Like a toddler in a candystore
Or I'm just a person who has an issue with Conte not being given the credit for his importance to the team, the squad and our successes on the pitch.

It is pointless to replace Marrotta unless he doesn't get a striker this term. This is not what I have asked for. But to say that Conte is lucky to have Marrotta here is an exaggeration.
 

Zacheryah

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Aug 29, 2010
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Or I'm just a person who has an issue with Conte not being given the credit for his importance to the team, the squad and our successes on the pitch.

It is pointless to replace Marrotta unless he doesn't get a striker this term. This is not what I have asked for. But to say that Conte is lucky to have Marrotta here is an exaggeration.
they are lucky with each other
 

KB824

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Sep 16, 2003
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Why does it become a complaint when Marrotta's role in our success is being exaggerated ahead of Conte's?

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I wonder why that is? Must be really happy with how the transfers are playing out.
Whereas you are giving no credit at all to him, which is jsut as bad, if not worse. You do realzie that he wears several hats at Juve. He is not just the transfer director, but he is in charge of balancing the budget as well. That is somehting that Secco, Moggi, and practically every other DS do not have to do. He is the CEO for a reason.


I mean, are we really at this point where everyone is trying to outdo one another in trying to put some sort of percentage on who deserves what amount of credit?


Is that what this has become?


You all need to grow up, and be happy that Juve are where they are at now, regardless if Conte gets 90% of the credit, or Marotta gets 67.5% of the credit, or if the Mafia gets 100% of the credit.


I mean, Jesus Christ already. And this isn't aimed directly and full-on at you, man. You know I love you dearly. But honestly, this has gotten to a point where this is beyond tedious. At the end of the day, it doesn't matter what any of us think. If the Board of Directors are happy with the progress that he has made in the last three seasons, both on the pitch and more importantly, at least to them, on the books, then he isn't going anywhere.

Bottom line, this club is a business, and they are here to make money. And they are now making money. And that is all the Board cares about.
 

napoleonic

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Sep 7, 2010
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barzagli and bonucci were responsible on our 7th position finish in 2011 and pirlo was considered finished at milan.

when marotta signed them, they weren't in top player level, it is a folly to attribute their top performances last 2 years as marotta's success, furthermore he overpaid bonucci, it's laughable to defend that signing just because bonucci started to perform good 3 years after he was signed.

the only successful transfers that marotta apologists can appeal to are vidal, pogba, and litchsteiner

lesser ones would be giacherrini, caceres, vucinic and asamoah

I'd add estigarribia but he's no longer here

and I wouldn't call llorente a successful one yet too, in fact it's a pretty meh transfer so far
 

beowulf

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Dec 9, 2012
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barzagli and bonucci were responsible on our 7th position finish in 2011 and pirlo was considered finished at milan.

when marotta signed them, they weren't in top player level, it is a folly to attribute their top performances last 2 years as marotta's success, furthermore he overpaid bonucci, it's laughable to defend that signing just because bonucci started to perform good 3 years after he was signed.

the only successful transfers that marotta apologists can appeal to are vidal, pogba, and litchsteiner

lesser ones would be giacherrini, caceres, vucinic and asamoah

I'd add estigarribia but he's no longer here

and I wouldn't call llorente a successful one yet too, in fact it's a pretty meh transfer so far
lol these two bolded things are absolutely insane. signing a player based on potential is a pretty important aspect of a transfer director i would imagine! also how could you possibly judge llorente's transfer yet? sheer madness
 

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