Giuseppe Marotta (104 Viewers)

[Vlad]

Marotta didn't fix the financial aspect. He actually fucked it up badly by spending huge amounts on worthless players.

Del Neri had something to do with that. GM can only buy players if his coach gives him a green light. It's pointless to bring players which manager won't use. Financially we were mostly fucked with gigantic drop in TV rights.

 

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[Cronios]

not sure if this is a discuttion, the facts are out there and the greek dokter in accusations, refuses to see sense.

Marotta took an old team, that had far to high wages, comming of a 7th place.

season one, rejuvinated the team, coach del neri failed horribly
season two, undefeated title, many of his purchases beeing cornerstones to the team
season three, another title, QF cl, and thanks to his excellent financial approach, growing and ready to turn profitable.

- agnelli did an excellent job in impoving our image and profile, increasing nonperformance based turnover
- conte didn an excellent job to turn marotta's signings, and players like marchisio into key players, made a winning team from the material he got.
- marotta, fixed the financial aspect, provided conte with economically interesting players, not ideal for conte, but good enough to mold into conte's formation.

Our triumvirate, has done a magnificent job and deserve praise.

cron, get back in the septic tank untill you actually have a reason to get out.

Lets just drop the generalities and focus on certain things.
Ever since Marotta joined us, in each and every transfer window and there has been 6 of those, our prime objectives were the same.
-We needed quality to upgrade our team, not quantity, Secco has been spending cash around on many but mediocre players and Marotta was hired to change that. This is what he announced from the very first season.
However he failed to do so ever since.
It is only an excuse that could hold some water ONLY for the first transfer window, but this wasnt the case, he keeps doing that, simply because he cant sign top players, simply put, they are beyond his league...
-We had a lot of deadwood we needed to unload, some of them were bought with 20-25mil, Marotta's priority was to sell them and create some decent income,
but he has failed miserably, each and every year...
-The players we needed the most were in 3 certain positions, a CF, a LM and LB, Treze, Neddy and Zambro were never replaced, Secco failed to do smth about it and Marotta has yet to find an answer too.
What he does is spending around our cash, using the prestige and financial status, to buy opportunity targets in the region of 15mil.
In a team like Samp, that would do the job, but we are now up against the best, we need to step up and Marotta really cant go further, lets just thank him and hire a manager of the next level.

I believe that Marotta did better than our 2 consecutive #7, the team was underperforming due to many factors, mostly the tacticians fault.
As we are now overperforming due to Conte. Everybody can see that, the coordinated attack on Conte was focused on him and him alone, because it is perfectly obvious that Conte was the reason that we stepped up, not Marotta.
It is a disgrace for us Juve fans not to aknowledge that.
Esp in the past two years, Conte was forced to make many compromises, because of Marotta's inabilities to sign the tools we needed the most, namely a goal scoarer.
In particular, this certain incompetence has put a limit to our level of performance and this year, while we were competing beyond serie A's disgraceful state,
this has been proofed beyond any doubt.

I cant understand how can anyone who loves Juve, would praise the very reason (Marotta) that is holding us back, esp in favor of Conte, the actual reason we are here and could give us more, if had a competent transfer manager, able to buy the top players we can afford...


PS: no reason to be rude, we may have different opinion about Marotta, but we dont have to insult each other...

 

[Zacheryah]

Just look how bad certain players were under del neri. and he just sticked to that failing formation

Conte, changed formation twice to get the best out of his players. players failing under del neri, thrived under conte, showing that they were actually good

licht, barzagli, bonucci, pirlo, vidal, asamoah, vucinic all have proven to be excellent

caceres, padoin, quag, matri, giac shown to have been valuable players in dept

giovinco, isla beeig players who have next season to prove themselves

so who actually failed ?

martinez, bought for a wide option for del neri, and elia who was a wide option that conte refused to use cause elia is a cunty fag
perhaps krasic, who started fantastic, but got figured out, and had huge confidence problems under conte
Toni ? emergency option, yet scored a vital goal ?
Borriellio ? a fucking loan that scored a vital goal

anelka and bentner were loaned as 5th striker emergency. nothing wrong here

 

[Turk_Bianconero]

Del Neri had something to do with that. GM can only buy players if his coach gives him a green light. It's pointless to bring players which manager won't use. Financially we were mostly fucked with gigantic drop in TV rights.

and Marotta had something to do with Del Neri. Those marottas and del neris are not belong to this level. They were temporary solutions. We have passed that period now. We're almost where were we before, we need someone new with vision.

 

[Zacheryah]

Lets just drop the generalities and focus on certain things.
Ever since Marotta joined us, in each and every transfer window and there has been 6 of those, our prime objectives were the same.
-We needed quality to upgrade our team, not quantity, Secco has been spending cash around on many but mediocre players and Marotta was hired to change that. This is what he announced from the very first season.
However he failed to do so ever since.
It is only an excuse that could hold some water ONLY for the first transfer window, but this wasnt the case, he keeps doing that, simply because he cant sign top players, simply put, they are beyond his league...
-We had a lot of deadwood we needed to unload, some of them were bought with 20-25mil, Marotta's priority was to sell them and create some decent income,
but he has failed miserably, each and every year...
-The players we needed the most were in 3 certain positions, a CF, a LM and LB, Treze, Neddy and Zambro were never replaced, Secco failed to do smth about it and Marotta has yet to find an answer too.
What he does is spending around our cash, using the prestige and financial status, to buy opportunity targets in the region of 15mil.
In a team like Samp, that would do the job, but we are now up against the best, we need to step up and Marotta really cant go further, lets just thank him and hire a manager of the next level.

I believe that Marotta did better than our 2 consecutive #7, the team was underperforming due to many factors, mostly the tacticians fault.
As we are now overperforming due to Conte. Everybody can see that, the coordinated attack on Conte was focused on him and him alone, because it is perfectly obvious that Conte was the reason that we stepped up, not Marotta.
It is a disgrace for us Juve fans not to aknowledge that.
Esp in the past two years, Conte was forced to make many compromises, because of Marotta's inabilities to sign the tools we needed the most, namely a goal scoarer.
In particular, this certain incompetence has put a limit to our level of performance and this year, while we were competing beyond serie A's disgraceful state,
this has been proofed beyond any doubt.

I cant understand how can anyone who loves Juve, would praise the very reason (Marotta) that is holding us back, esp in favor of Conte, the actual reason we are here and could give us more, if had a competent transfer manager, able to buy the top players we can afford...


PS: no reason to be rude, we may have different opinion about Marotta, but we dont have to insult each other...

Cronios, if you had an actual opinion it would be okay

but you make up stuff as you go, and look extremely depressing at many things here, some are downright retarded.

for this reason, i got tired of your repetitive walls of text, and stopped reading them, hence i even gave up verticak scrolling after "marotta failed to.."

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and Marotta had something to do with Del Neri. Those marottas and del neris are not belong to this level. They were temporary solutions. We have passed that period now. We're almost where were we before, we need someone new with vision.

Del Neri was a good option back then. got samp into europe, and no one else wanted to come unless for sick salaries

since he had been succesfull with bepe, its a logical move

 

[PedroFlu]

Marotta has to be analysed by 3 point of views: signings; player sales; players he tried to sign and failed

He did beautiful pieces of business. The most important, believeing in Pirlo when no one did. He was old, he was in decline, he had spent too much time injured.

Some important purchases like Vidal (10.5M - BARGAIN), Pogba, Litch, Vucinic (15M - wasn't cheap, but worked well, his value didn't drop), Bonucci (15M - overpriced, but that's probably his actual value), Barzagli (300k - BEAUTIFUL), Asamoah (8M co-own in 3 installments - good).

He overpayed for some guys like Matri (3M loan + 15M final price = 18M very overpriced), Quagliarella (15.5M), Giovinco (11M for 1/2), Martinez (12M CANT BELIEVE IT). Krasic cost 15M at the time but it was his current value. 9M for Elia.

So, generally speaking, his signings were good. In his 1st season he overpayed for many Italian players, but the club was desperate, no bargain power. He completely rebuild it in 3 years.

He failed to sign a top striker, yes. But not exactly by his fault. Other clubs, in more attractive leagues, could offer much more. Aguero and RVP for example. His main fault was to let the world know that Juve wanted the so called "top player". He should shut up.

His player sales were pretty poor. Could have done better in that department.

In the end, he's done many important business, failed at some, like Verratti or Martinez signing.

I'd say his general evaluation is positive, but not exceptional. Now the club is growing up again it's time to be aggressive and prove he can play with the big boys.

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But I have no idea if there's someone better on the market.

But I'd say it's a good idea to let Conte have a bigger say in transfers, to let Conte have the final word. Lessen the responsibilities of Marotta, who should be more operational. If Marotta can't agree to that, wayve him goodbye, because Conte is so much more important to the club.

 

[Fint]

Good post Pedro, I think this'll be the summer where Beppe really proves his worth. There's definitely greater financial backing this time around and Juve's status on the European stage has improved vastly. We're a much more attractive prospect now so he has that on his side now too

 

[Cronios]

Marotta has failed to make any sales, esp the Melo fiasco proves that he is completely incompetent in that department.
He also failed to create income from the contract of the players we own. The Giovinco fiasco is yet another proof of his incompetence, we ended up paying enough to get our player back, so that transfer was ranked as one of the highest in Serie A...

Such a pathetic performance on the sales depoartment could kill off a lesser club.
Marotta has obviously access to funds no one else has in serie A. Just because we have this cash, we shouldnt forget his failures/inabilities though.

From this perspective, we can see the opportunity targets he has acquired, as a lesser accomplishment.
As very few teams can pay the huuuge fees he has payed for many mediocre players, as we did.
So he had no actual competition, for players like Vucinic, Pirlo and Asamoah...
No other team in Italy could afford to commit nearly 50mil, just to get Asamoah, Isla and Giovinco's half back...


Spending cash in not quite the miracle, making them is!

Marotta has no excuses anymore, we had more cash, prestige and title hopes than any serie A team, and yet they have all somehow managed to find a CF, yet we couldnt done any better Bendtner and Anelka, he has failed, epically, when the ball was in his field, what Conte did with the handicap Marotta set, should be Conte's credit, not Marotta.

We should give credit to Marotta for landing a high profile finisher, even if our coach would be able to make a proper use of him, but we cant give credit to Marotta after failing in every department and forcing Conte to make so many compromises (he was forced to change our defence to 3man defence, because Marotta couldnt get a LB, he was forced to field 3 CMs, cause Marotta was keep bringing CMs and couldnt get a LM, he was forced to play with two SSs, because Marotta cant sign a CF)

 

[Goodfella]

 

[Fake Melo]

Who's the best?

Matthias Sammer, Galliani, Tor Kristian Karlsen etc

 

[GordoDeCentral]

Marotta has to be analysed by 3 point of views: signings; player sales; players he tried to sign and failed

He did beautiful pieces of business. The most important, believeing in Pirlo when no one did. He was old, he was in decline, he had spent too much time injured.

Some important purchases like Vidal (10.5M - BARGAIN), Pogba, Litch, Vucinic (15M - wasn't cheap, but worked well, his value didn't drop), Bonucci (15M - overpriced, but that's probably his actual value), Barzagli (300k - BEAUTIFUL), Asamoah (8M co-own in 3 installments - good).

He overpayed for some guys like Matri (3M loan + 15M final price = 18M very overpriced), Quagliarella (15.5M), Giovinco (11M for 1/2), Martinez (12M CANT BELIEVE IT). Krasic cost 15M at the time but it was his current value. 9M for Elia.

So, generally speaking, his signings were good. In his 1st season he overpayed for many Italian players, but the club was desperate, no bargain power. He completely rebuild it in 3 years.

He failed to sign a top striker, yes. But not exactly by his fault. Other clubs, in more attractive leagues, could offer much more. Aguero and RVP for example. His main fault was to let the world know that Juve wanted the so called "top player". He should shut up.

His player sales were pretty poor. Could have done better in that department.

In the end, he's done many important business, failed at some, like Verratti or Martinez signing.

I'd say his general evaluation is positive, but not exceptional. Now the club is growing up again it's time to be aggressive and prove he can play with the big boys.

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But I have no idea if there's someone better on the market.

But I'd say it's a good idea to let Conte have a bigger say in transfers, to let Conte have the final word. Lessen the responsibilities of Marotta, who should be more operational. If Marotta can't agree to that, wayve him goodbye, because Conte is so much more important to the club.

what indication is there that he can cut it with big boys, everyone's been taking him for a ride

 

[Zacheryah]

Marotta has to be analysed by 3 point of views: signings; player sales; players he tried to sign and failed

He did beautiful pieces of business. The most important, believeing in Pirlo when no one did. He was old, he was in decline, he had spent too much time injured.

Some important purchases like Vidal (10.5M - BARGAIN), Pogba, Litch, Vucinic (15M - wasn't cheap, but worked well, his value didn't drop), Bonucci (15M - overpriced, but that's probably his actual value), Barzagli (300k - BEAUTIFUL), Asamoah (8M co-own in 3 installments - good).

He overpayed for some guys like Matri (3M loan + 15M final price = 18M very overpriced), Quagliarella (15.5M), Giovinco (11M for 1/2), Martinez (12M CANT BELIEVE IT). Krasic cost 15M at the time but it was his current value. 9M for Elia.

So, generally speaking, his signings were good. In his 1st season he overpayed for many Italian players, but the club was desperate, no bargain power. He completely rebuild it in 3 years.

He failed to sign a top striker, yes. But not exactly by his fault. Other clubs, in more attractive leagues, could offer much more. Aguero and RVP for example. His main fault was to let the world know that Juve wanted the so called "top player". He should shut up.

His player sales were pretty poor. Could have done better in that department.

In the end, he's done many important business, failed at some, like Verratti or Martinez signing.

I'd say his general evaluation is positive, but not exceptional. Now the club is growing up again it's time to be aggressive and prove he can play with the big boys.

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But I have no idea if there's someone better on the market.

But I'd say it's a good idea to let Conte have a bigger say in transfers, to let Conte have the final word. Lessen the responsibilities of Marotta, who should be more operational. If Marotta can't agree to that, wayve him goodbye, because Conte is so much more important to the club.

Matri : we had no strikers left due to injury crisis, and they raped us hard for matri. we had to overpay. no other striker could have been bought
Quag : Looking at wages+fee, he has delivered us what we can expect from 15mil, wich isnt alot for a forward
Martinez : yeah, his signature failed transfer. just 12 mil tho.
Elia : wel he had potential but elia wasted it himself+conte hated him
Krasic : another one that had potential, but failed.

And sales, well, cant expect much here. Players on double the wage they were worth, cant sell that.
and agreed, couldnt sign the top player due to economical and market issues


He did an excellent job, because the faults he made, are so few


We shouldnt just "wave him goodbye" he became important to building this team, and i dont want a wastefull manager to ruin his effords

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what indication is there that he can cut it with big boys, everyone's been taking him for a ride

No indication he can or cant, we can only know after this summer because now there are actual possibilities

 

[Vlad]

Lets just drop the generalities and focus on certain things.
Ever since Marotta joined us, in each and every transfer window and there has been 6 of those, our prime objectives were the same.
-We needed quality to upgrade our team, not quantity, Secco has been spending cash around on many but mediocre players and Marotta was hired to change that. This is what he announced from the very first season.
However he failed to do so ever since.
It is only an excuse that could hold some water ONLY for the first transfer window, but this wasnt the case, he keeps doing that, simply because he cant sign top players, simply put, they are beyond his league...
-We had a lot of deadwood we needed to unload, some of them were bought with 20-25mil, Marotta's priority was to sell them and create some decent income,
but he has failed miserably, each and every year...
-The players we needed the most were in 3 certain positions, a CF, a LM and LB, Treze, Neddy and Zambro were never replaced, Secco failed to do smth about it and Marotta has yet to find an answer too.
What he does is spending around our cash, using the prestige and financial status, to buy opportunity targets in the region of 15mil.
In a team like Samp, that would do the job, but we are now up against the best, we need to step up and Marotta really cant go further, lets just thank him and hire a manager of the next level.

I believe that Marotta did better than our 2 consecutive #7, the team was underperforming due to many factors, mostly the tacticians fault.
As we are now overperforming due to Conte. Everybody can see that, the coordinated attack on Conte was focused on him and him alone, because it is perfectly obvious that Conte was the reason that we stepped up, not Marotta.
It is a disgrace for us Juve fans not to aknowledge that.
Esp in the past two years, Conte was forced to make many compromises, because of Marotta's inabilities to sign the tools we needed the most, namely a goal scoarer.
In particular, this certain incompetence has put a limit to our level of performance and this year, while we were competing beyond serie A's disgraceful state,
this has been proofed beyond any doubt.

I cant understand how can anyone who loves Juve, would praise the very reason (Marotta) that is holding us back, esp in favor of Conte, the actual reason we are here and could give us more, if had a competent transfer manager, able to buy the top players we can afford...


PS: no reason to be rude, we may have different opinion about Marotta, but we dont have to insult each other...

So many wrong things here I wouldn't know where to start. I'll just respond to this part. When Marotta was hired as plenty of our players were in decline and needed to be replaced.
Our lineup for 2010
Buffon
Grygera-Legro-Chiellini (Melberg)-Grosso ( Salihamidzic)
Camo-Melo-Marchisio ( Sissoko )
Diego ( Candreva )
DP-Amauri ( Trezeguet )
In bold are the players that were either in decline or simply didn't meet expectations as in Diego and Melo's case.
To replace with quality 10-12 players with inflated prices today he would need more than 200M. I won't even bring wages to the table. How much money do you think we have? He wasn't brought to bring quality as this fact was constantly repeated by the board. His job was to fill the gaps. In his second and third year he brought quality players but naturally you won't consider them as such. Vidal, Pirlo, Vucinic, Licht, Asamoah are quality players and have been influential in this and last years campaign. Beppe is doing a good job.

 

[Trequartista]

Cronios, will you accept to go in permanent exile (perma ban) if Marotta signs Higuain?

 

[Zacheryah]

I strongly second this

 

[Jem83]

Marotta is the funniest drunk of all time.

I vote for a renewal based on that alone.

 

[Cronios]

Cronios, will you accept to go in permanent exile (perma ban) if Marotta signs Higuain?

would you accept to get a perma ban if he fails yet again?

 

[Trequartista]

would you accept to get a perma ban if he fails yet again?

Go to the CF vs SS thread, our deal is there

http://forum.juventuz.org/threads/38385-CF-v-SS?p=4156322&viewfull=1#post4156322

 

[GordoDeCentral]

would you accept to get a perma ban if he fails yet again?

shit just got real

 

[Fint]

shit just got real