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Dostoevsky

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We dont.

Juve in the past was successful and winning.
He has a point there Dooz.
Yet with Capello we failed to do anything in Europe.

Of course, we're far away from that football. I just meant about the style. It's why I never wanted to see Italian coaches here. They are all old fashioned, getting run over by other clubs.

If we do get Pazzini and start 4-4-2 I'll start crying. And those aren't going to be happy tears.
 
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    What? Yes he is.

    Long time ago he wasn't...now he is. There's not a thing where he's good at.

    So why do we live in past? Del Neri's system is 4-4-2 with 2 destroyers and 2 fast wingers. One poacher and one "creative" striker.

    Are we still in 90s?

    Modern football is Mourinho's formation, Barcelona's formation. Manchester, or some other club. We're trying to pull a Capello here. I can't believe we're trying to get a player like Pazzini now. THOSE FAIL! Jesus, are they going to realize that sometimes...

    They needed Mourinho to change things. I guess we have to hire God to change something in here.
    His finishing is considerably better than Amauri or Iaquinta's, and he is good in the air too.

    What does Del Neri's system have to do with Pazzini? Is Pazzini the one creating the formations?

    Whatever system we play, we need a dude who can hit the back of the net in more than one style, and well, Pazzo can certainly do that.
     

    El Santo

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    Yet with Capello we failed to do anything in Europe.

    Of course, we're far away from that football. I just meant about the style. It's why I never wanted to see Italian coaches here. They are all old fashioned, getting run over by other clubs.

    If we do get Pazzini and start 4-4-2 I'll start crying. And those aren't going to be happy tears.
    Start "crying a river" Dooz. Because unfortunately we might sign the guy.
     

    Dostoevsky

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    His finishing is considerably better than Amauri or Iaquinta's, and he is good in the air too.

    What does Del Neri's system have to do with Pazzini? Is Pazzini the one creating the formations?

    Whatever system we play, we need a dude who can hit the back of the net in more than one style, and well, Pazzo can certainly do that.
    Pazzini can finish. But he's a classic poacher and nothing else.

    It's the main point. Top club don't use those with a reason. Why would someone buy limited player, like Pazzini, when there are much complete strikers out there, who can create chances themselves and finish it off. I'll not go into it, but for an example, I'm thinking of a player like Benzema, Dzeko or someone.

    Nobody wants limited strikers but Italians. Nobody.

    If there's a one on one opportunity, what would Pazzini do? Nothing. He would be waiting for the ball right there in the box of course. It's what Gilardino, Pazzini and co. do
     
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    Ahmed

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    Pazzini can finish. But he's a classic poacher and nothing else.

    It's the main point. Top club don't use those with a reason. Why would someone buy limited player, like Pazzini, when there are much complete strikers out there, who can create chances themselves and finish it off. I'll not go into it, but for an example, I'm thinking of a player like Benzema, Dzeko or someone.

    Nobody wants limited strikers but Italians. Nobody.

    If there's a one on one opportunity, what would Pazzini do? Nothing. He would be waiting for the ball right there in the box of course. It's what Gilardino, Pazzini and co. do
    See that's where we don't agree, I think he is more than just a poacher...all Milito ever did for Genoa was wait for the ball to bounce off his ass and crawl over the goal line, its only been this season where he has exhibited his all-round qualities...Sampdoria's system requires him to lead the line whilst Cassano runs the show...and if he exhibited that potential in his formative years, it shows that he has the ability to do that, it depends on what role the Coach has in mind.
     

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    Dusan, so if you had the chance today to sign Trezeguet 10 years ago you wouldn't because its not modern football and he is a poacher?
     

    Red

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    What? Yes he is.

    Long time ago he wasn't...now he is. There's not a thing where he's good at.

    So why do we live in past? Del Neri's system is 4-4-2 with 2 destroyers and 2 fast wingers. One poacher and one "creative" striker.

    Are we still in 90s?

    Modern football is Mourinho's formation, Barcelona's formation. Manchester, or some other club. We're trying to pull a Capello here. I can't believe we're trying to get a player like Pazzini now. THOSE FAIL! Jesus, are they going to realize that sometimes...

    They needed Mourinho to change things. I guess we have to hire God to change something in here.
    I don't buy all this 'modern football' stuff in terms of tactics. It's all cyclical and stuff lasts for a bit until other teams figure out how to stop it.

    Catenaccio was declared dead and Total Football was going to conquer all when Ajax beat Inter in the 1970's, but come the 1982 World Cup, Italy won by basically playing Catenaccio while Total Football was nowhere to be seen.

    Right now, 4-4-2 is suffering because it gets suffocated by the number of teams who play three in midfield, which allows them to dominate the middle of the pitch, but that doesn't mean that 4-4-2 is 'old football' and that it can't work or that it won't be the main formation at some point in the future.

    I don't think there is a particular trend at the moment towards particular systems or that certain tactics are needed to win.

    The only thing that I think is absolutely necessary to succeed at the moment is to have athleticism in key positions (full backs and central midfield).
     
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    Ahmed

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    Catenaccio won the friggin' final yesterday...not much 'modern football' could do about it.
     

    Red

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    Catenaccio won the friggin' final yesterday...not much 'modern football' could do about it.
    That wasn't Catenaccio. It was just defensive, counter attacking football.

    Catenaccio is based on man-marking.

    Inter just held their shape, and doubled up on Robben, and it was enough to stop Bayern.
     
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