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Always spot on
May 6, 2012
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I'm on middle of 2nd season, its incredibly charming and pleasant series, with an unusual subject matter to make interesting.



I havent seen half of those nominated peeps, but Gabriel Garcia Bernal defenitely deserves an award for his genuine odd ball spitfire character that comes off so genuine. Scott Isaacs in show me a hero was effortlessly brillians, so pretty much a must to give him that award.
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Seven

In bocca al lupo, Fabio.
Jun 25, 2003
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The Americans is great. Mostly because Kerri Russell is pretty hot. I did lose interest after a while though. The best part is the premisse and the first few episodes really.
 

Stevie

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Mar 30, 2003
21,306
Has anyone watched The Returned? Looks pretty good.

Started watching Mr Robot in slightly confused about whats going on but enjoying it non the less.
 

swag

L'autista
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Sep 23, 2003
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The Americans is great. Mostly because Kerri Russell is pretty hot. I did lose interest after a while though. The best part is the premisse and the first few episodes really.
I started it when it first came out years ago but couldn't stick with it. Never went back. Kind of too bad, as I hear it's pretty good.

Has anyone watched The Returned? Looks pretty good.
The American one that got cancelled? Or do you mean Les Revenants, which has been discussed a couple pages back?
 

Seven

In bocca al lupo, Fabio.
Jun 25, 2003
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The American one that got cancelled? Or do you mean Les Revenants, which has been discussed a couple pages back?
I didn't see the American one, but the French one is all about atmosphere imo. I got bored with it. It's hard to write good plots for stuff like this though.
 

swag

L'autista
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Sep 23, 2003
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I didn't see the American one, but the French one is all about atmosphere imo. I got bored with it. It's hard to write good plots for stuff like this though.
You totally pegged it on atmosphere. But in a strange way -- and here's where the Twin Peaks parallels come out -- the atmosphere can be good enough where you care less about plot progression, character development, tension and drama, etc. It's weird as a viewer experience ... in fact, when I watched the ending of Season 2 I was kind of taken aback because plot development actually started to happen. And my reaction was like, "Whoah, what was that doing in there?"

Call it a more sophisticated version of Yule Log or, perhaps in Scandinavian terms, slow television. It works on a level of a sense of place and immersing in it without the expectations or trapping of a typical plot-driven television show. But for most people, that pace and that approach may be a bit of a boring turn-off.

Another thing I watched that I really enjoyed in a similar vein was the movie Under the Skin. The difference was that UtS had Scarlett Johansson oogling and some freakier themes (Scarlett as an alien driving a rape van around Scotland). But what made me enjoy it too was the unconventional aesthetics and pace of the film where it was about the journey and not so much the destination.
 

Seven

In bocca al lupo, Fabio.
Jun 25, 2003
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You totally pegged it on atmosphere. But in a strange way -- and here's where the Twin Peaks parallels come out -- the atmosphere can be good enough where you care less about plot progression, character development, tension and drama, etc. It's weird as a viewer experience ... in fact, when I watched the ending of Season 2 I was kind of taken aback because plot development actually started to happen. And my reaction was like, "Whoah, what was that doing in there?"

Call it a more sophisticated version of Yule Log or, perhaps in Scandinavian terms, slow television. It works on a level of a sense of place and immersing in it without the expectations or trapping of a typical plot-driven television show. But for most people, that pace and that approach may be a bit of a boring turn-off.

Another thing I watched that I really enjoyed in a similar vein was the movie Under the Skin. The difference was that UtS had Scarlett Johansson oogling and some freakier themes (Scarlett as an alien driving a rape van around Scotland). But what made me enjoy it too was the unconventional aesthetics and pace of the film where it was about the journey and not so much the destination.
I understand your point and you're right. But my problem is that these days you get a lot of movies, thrillers especially, that focus on atmosphere and don't think it's necessary to end with a well thought out fully finished story. It is though. Especially when something mysterious, like dead people coming back, happens, ultimately the viewer will want and deserves an explanation.
 

Stevie

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Mar 30, 2003
21,306
I started it when it first came out years ago but couldn't stick with it. Never went back. Kind of too bad, as I hear it's pretty good.



The American one that got cancelled? Or do you mean Les Revenants, which has been discussed a couple pages back?
The french onr. Il have a read back now.
 

swag

L'autista
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Sep 23, 2003
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I understand your point and you're right. But my problem is that these days you get a lot of movies, thrillers especially, that focus on atmosphere and don't think it's necessary to end with a well thought out fully finished story. It is though. Especially when something mysterious, like dead people coming back, happens, ultimately the viewer will want and deserves an explanation.
Lost had the same issue.

What I enjoyed was that it defied the convention. It was like an anti-soap-opera. If you execute well on that atmosphere, and you're willing to submit to it, that journey could be worth it.

The problem happens when wannabe auteurs apply that treatment to more of a plot-driven story. And when the plot isn't very good, the atmosphere isn't compelling enough to carry it, and it fails as a director's egotistical art film exercise.
 

Osman

Koul Khara!
Aug 30, 2002
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Lost had the same issue.

What I enjoyed was that it defied the convention. It was like an anti-soap-opera. If you execute well on that atmosphere, and you're willing to submit to it, that journey could be worth it.
My friends are perplexed whenever the subject of Lost comes up and I say I dont care about how random and il fitting the big reveal ending was, the journey alone was worth it, completely intoxicating athmosphere of mystery and sheer thrilling wtf is coming next drama.


Like being supremely entertained was supposed to be less important then the pieces fitting together at the end.
 

Seven

In bocca al lupo, Fabio.
Jun 25, 2003
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My friends are perplexed whenever the subject of Lost comes up and I say I dont care about how random and il fitting the big reveal ending was, the journey alone was worth it, completely intoxicating athmosphere of mystery and sheer thrilling wtf is coming next drama.


Like being supremely entertained was supposed to be less important then the pieces fitting together at the end.

Lost was annoying because it was obvious they were writing and writing, adding ever more drama to the mix and in the end they just couldn't make it fit anymore. Looking back I'd also say that the pilot is probably the best thing of the whole show.
 

Ocelot

Midnight Marauder
Jul 13, 2013
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Another thing I watched that I really enjoyed in a similar vein was the movie Under the Skin. The difference was that UtS had Scarlett Johansson oogling and some freakier themes (Scarlett as an alien driving a rape van around Scotland). But what made me enjoy it too was the unconventional aesthetics and pace of the film where it was about the journey and not so much the destination.
Das it, my favourite movie of 2014

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My friends are perplexed whenever the subject of Lost comes up and I say I dont care about how random and il fitting the big reveal ending was, the journey alone was worth it, completely intoxicating athmosphere of mystery and sheer thrilling wtf is coming next drama.


Like being supremely entertained was supposed to be less important then the pieces fitting together at the end.
Agree mostly
 

Seven

In bocca al lupo, Fabio.
Jun 25, 2003
39,455
Yeah, but they did it in a fun way and with some fantastic characters and actors, so the random writing itself was secondary.
Well, I liked the show, but stopped watching it after a couple of seasons. If they had managed to keep things in check and come up with a solution to all of it, the show would have been one of the best ever. Now it's basically an example of what happens when you write without knowing where you want to end up.
 

swag

L'autista
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Sep 23, 2003
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Well, I liked the show, but stopped watching it after a couple of seasons. If they had managed to keep things in check and come up with a solution to all of it, the show would have been one of the best ever. Now it's basically an example of what happens when you write without knowing where you want to end up.
I would say it's a legit criticism that the writers just kept making shit up without any rhyme, plan or reason half the time. In fact, it's like they had to keep ahead of their fans, because every time they'd try to introduce something "new and mysterious", the die hard fans would be dissecting the show with stop-action video scenes, looking for clues and conspiracies, even when the writers had never intended something.

At the same time, there's something to be said about not having a film or TV series have to explain everything. Life is filled with mysteries we'll never solve, so the reality is more like that than something neatly tied up with a ribbon.

But Lost? That show was entertaining but it bit off far more than it could chew. It collected a mystery debt that exploded and it could never pay off.
 

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