Gay Adoption (8 Viewers)

Bianconero_Aus

Beppe Marotta Is My God
May 26, 2009
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How do YOU know they arent born like that cheese?

Did you wake up one day and decided you like girls? Or did it just happen as it happened. Why is it so hard to understand the concept that gay guys like men not because they chose to, but because they were born that way?

And I have to laugh when people from strict Islamic countries use the old "there is no homos in our countries, and its not common like in the Western countries" line.
 

Azzurri7

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Dec 16, 2003
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Ah, is that what he meant :D.

Why are some people so threatened by homo-sexuality?
I don't feel threatened TBH, at least not yet. Many of whom are against gay adoption have homosexual friends. I had a friend in Beirut until he moved to South Africa. I never felt threatened. Though I wont deny that it worries me to be in a society where men fall inlove with men. I have the right to be worried but not in a way that offends homosexuality.
 

Salvo

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Dec 17, 2007
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But why is same sex love so bad? Cheese how is it laughable, arguably there is more to suggest that people are born with a "gay gene", you have no more proof than I.
 

JuveJay

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Mar 6, 2007
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No I mean whether your in the born this way, or chooses to be camp. I'm in no way a homophobe my posts throughout this if read in entirety prove that
Choose to be camp? I'd say you don't really have any idea about homosexuality.

cheese, why do you think this won't happen in Morocco? Because it's a muslim country?
 

AndreaCristiano

Nato, Vive, e muore Italiano
Jun 9, 2011
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I don't feel threatened TBH, at least not yet. Many of whom are against gay adoption have homosexual friends. I had a friend in Beirut until he moved to South Africa. I never felt threatened. Though I wont deny that it worries me to be in a society where men fall inlove with men. I have the right to be worried but not in a way that offends homosexuality.
THIS^^
 

AndreaCristiano

Nato, Vive, e muore Italiano
Jun 9, 2011
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Choose to be camp? I'd say you don't really have any idea about homosexuality.

cheese, why do you think this won't happen in Morocco? Because it's a muslim country?
What are you even talking about there is discussion here and both sides have presented scientific documentation which bolsters both sides so don't accuse me of not knowing anything, there are two sides to the gay discussion, don't act like your side has the monopoly on truth
 

Bianconero_Aus

Beppe Marotta Is My God
May 26, 2009
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BTW a gay friend of mine here in Sydney says he knows a huge number of gay people of Arabic/Turkish/Middle Eastern descent who basically live double lives because they are scared to come out because of the "shame" it would bring to their parents and family.
 

Salvo

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Dec 17, 2007
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If someone wants the same sex, it is has to be an embedded desire, just like our desire for women. If you are saying that straight men can turn gay does that mean I could convince you to be gay?
 

Cheesio

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Jul 11, 2006
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How do YOU know they arent born like that cheese?

Did you wake up one day and decided you like girls? Or did it just happen as it happened. Why is it so hard to understand the concept that gay guys like men not because they chose to, but because they were born that way?

And I have to laugh when people from strict Islamic countries use the old "there is no homos in our countries, and its not common like in the Western countries" line.
How do you know they are born like that.?? There's no proof . And i never said that there's no homos in my country. I said that gay adoption will never happen.
But why is same sex love so bad? Cheese how is it laughable, arguably there is more to suggest that people are born with a "gay gene", you have no more proof than I.
Bad or not i don't care. Everyone is entitled to his opinion. There's no proof of it being genetic. Rab posted multiple article with quotes and references denying all that.
 

Azzurri7

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Dec 16, 2003
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But why is same sex love so bad? Cheese how is it laughable, arguably there is more to suggest that people are born with a "gay gene", you have no more proof than I.
Again, that you can't claim if we want to bring facts on table.

Fact is (so far) there are no proofs or evidence that people are born with a homosexual genes. This makes my argument and cheese more accurate because we haven't claimed anything against human's nature.
 

JuveJay

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Mar 6, 2007
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An additional point regarding genes versus environment:

A lad I know - he is the younger brother of two. His older brother is a typical boy, little bastard to be honest. The younger lad was very effeminate at a young age, as soon as he came out of the baby stage and developed his own noticeable personality. Throughout junior school he was as camp as Christmas, he only hung around with girls. As he got older (he's about 17 now) he changed, and actually he isn't gay at all. Now he's a regular straight lad of that age, with a girlfriend. So even though he went through what would be determined as a classically homosexual stage for over a decade, in this environment, he was in fact straight.

In contrast, there are thousands of men who go through life trying to ignore the obvious, going through a completely straight life; catching practise with dad, off to the game, chase the girls, get married, have kids. Then the underlying eventually gets through. Sometimes it doesn't and is suppressed. These people were in no homosexual environment, unless you count the ass slapping in team sports :shifty:
 

Bianconero_Aus

Beppe Marotta Is My God
May 26, 2009
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I dont know if you guys (Salvo and JuveJay) have ever heard of him, but there was a Rugby League player called Ian Roberts who was openly gay, first and only RL player to come out.

This guy was built like a brick shithouse and could fight like a thrashing machine. Grew up in a rough and tumble neighbourhood as well.

Theres really no point to the story besides noting how much of a tough bastard and great player he was.
 

Kate

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Feb 7, 2011
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Don't care if they are allowed to adopt or not.Cause it won't happen in my country so I couldn't care less. But don't tell me they are born like that or it's in their genes. It's laughable really .
It has not been proven one way or the other, so you can't say that they definitely aren't born that way. I imagine it is a combination of many factors, and it may turn out that some genetic combinations are more prone to it. Personally, that would make sense to me, but we will see. It is not laughable in any way, though.
 

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