Federico Chiesa (96 Viewers)

[4ndr3i]

His value is what the market dictates and let’s be honest, he just isn’t attracting top level clubs anymore.

We’re still hoping for his Euro 2020 performance but it’s been like 3 years and he has only regressed from that. It’s time to sell, the alternative being renewing with huge wages and having another Alex Sandro situation in 2-3 years.

 

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[Alin]

His value is what the market dictates and let’s be honest, he just isn’t attracting top level clubs anymore.

We’re still hoping for his Euro 2020 performance but it’s been like 3 years and he has only regressed from that. It’s time to sell, the alternative being renewing with huge wages and having another Alex Sandro situation in 2-3 years.

If we replace him adequately yes, it all makes sense, but let’s say if we do renew him do you seriously not think that €20M is something that we can still easily fetch for the next couple of summers even if he won’t be playing all that great? While at the same time there’s always the chance that under a new manager and with better fitness he could start improving again and be worth double that price in a year’s time, otherwise i share the same feeling that we have been already patient enough with him and he hasn’t delivered, just wouldn’t let him go that cheaply when it means we’ll need to invest in a top quality winger to fill the void, and those aren’t cheap either.

 

[Robee]

If we replace him adequately yes, it all makes sense, but let’s say if we do renew him do you seriously not think that €20M is something that we can still easily fetch for the next couple of summers even if he won’t be playing all that great? While at the same time there’s always the chance that under a new manager and with better fitness he could start improving again and be worth double that price in a year’s time, otherwise i share the same feeling that we have been already patient enough with him and he hasn’t delivered, just wouldn’t let him go that cheaply when it means we’ll need to invest in a top quality winger to fill the void, and those aren’t cheap either.

The problem seems to be he wants to be paid like a top player when he really isn't at the moment...

 

[Badass J Elkann]

do they still have those rolex watches they gave to refs but the league did nothing about it?

Didn't Rosella Sensi sell that off to pay for her fathers funeral?

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they can’t afford 25M?

This is roma we are talking about. They barely had money to even loan Huijsen off us last January due to financial restrictions.

 

[Alin]

The problem seems to be he wants to be paid like a top player when he really isn't at the moment...

That is also true, although now there’s maybe more room for negotiations given that he had an unimpressive Euro’s, all in all still can’t see how Roma would be able to offer him more than us and why would we even consider gifting him to them on the cheap.

 

[Bjerknes]

Looks like he’s a goner to Manchowder. Sancho will come in the opposite direction.

I don’t like Sancho but not that upset to be honest. One dimensional Chiesa is nowhere near the level of the Italian greats we have had. Wouldn’t include him in the legends section.

 

[BetterCallSaul]

Looks like he’s a goner to Manchowder. Sancho will come in the opposite direction.

I don’t like Sancho but not that upset to be honest. One dimensional Chiesa is nowhere near the level of the Italian greats we have had. Wouldn’t include him in the legends section.

Look who we have in rookie section...Chiesa barely deserves to be even there. Padoin, Matri and similar players are miles ahead of him in terms of "club status".

I liked him until the injury but he's been just underwhelming and depressing to watch last 2.5 years, even in RW position for Italy
@Lion is more than right about him.

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But i'd still rather have him till the contract expires than gift him to Roma for 20mil€

 

[Lion]

Sancho is on twice the wages though, and far from worth it.

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If we are to replace Chiesa just rather keep Soule around or otherwise look for some new cheaper talent or an already well established name and not overpaid rejects of other top clubs again.

true sancho more wage hopefully he can lower his demand to go to new club.

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Do you not believe the potential in Yildiz?

I mean he doesn't have to be ADP, Messi or Ronaldinho in order for the club to bet on him.

i agree, but i don't think yildiz is showing anything more than nice potential as opposed to being a generational talent. would be pretty wild to bet on him

 

[Hist]

Another angle that i am thinking of is that Chiesa has a superstar status in Juve, also superstar status in the italian NT despite the last few seasons being average and riddled by injuries, is still one of the only Juve players that keeps fetching us waves of new fans around Italy due to the ‘hero’ image from the Euro’s, so if we are to replace him it probably needs to be with someone of similar international status, and by that i mean being a star player in a top national team, then also not sure exactly how the current board sees this but without him we basically have no guaranteed starters in the Italy squad either which historically always a had a core of top Juve players in it, wouldn’t rule out that we might even end up forcing his stay and giving him reassurances on this basis alone,especially now that the Calafiori deal which could have filled that ‘italian superstar’ void seems unlikely.

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Absurd numbers if true.

Selling him would be a huge mistake. Selling him for the rumoured prices is insanity

 

[DanielSz]

Selling him would be a huge mistake. Selling him for the rumoured prices is insanity

is it? he’s an expiring contract, they’d be lucky to get 30M for him.

 

[icemaη]

Selling him would be a huge mistake. Selling him for the rumoured prices is insanity

If the options are selling him or he walks like Dybala, it’s not.

 

[X Æ A-12]

Has he renewed yet?

 

[Espectro]

Selling him would be a huge mistake. Selling him for the rumoured prices is insanity

Ok, let’s say it’s a mistake selling him…

He has one year in his contract, so, Do we give him the wages he wants and renew him?

And let’s go to the price…I don’t see rumours of teams offering more than 25M for him, so…

What do you think Juventus should do?

 

[Alin]

Ok, let’s say it’s a mistake selling him…

He has one year in his contract, so, Do we give him the wages he wants and renew him?

And let’s go to the price…I don’t see rumours of teams offering more than 25M for him, so…

What do you think Juventus should do?

Step 1: Tell him that unless his agent comes to Juve with a minimum €35M offer from another club he will not be sold for a penny less. Explain that we’ve been patient with him during his struggles and that we consider anything less an insult after everything we’ve invested in him.

Step 2: Reiterate to him that unless he renews on reasonable wages or at least on a bridge year contract he will rot on the bench/in the stands for the rest of his remaining year of contract, once again, this ofc only if he tries to force his way out on a lowball offer from another club.

Step 3: Watch how Chiesa has to suddenly rethink everything.

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This is not an ‘unheard’ scenario tbh, although to be fair has not really been the case around this parts probably since the Moggi days.

 

[Espectro]

Step 1: Tell him that unless his agent comes to Juve with a minimum €35M offer from another club he will not be sold for a penny less. Explain that we’ve been patient with him during his struggles and that we consider anything less an insult after everything we’ve invested in him.

Step 2: Reiterate to him that unless he renews on reasonable wages or at least on a bridge year contract he will rot on the bench/in the stands for the rest of his remaining year of contract, once again, this ofc only if he tries to force his way out on a lowball offer from another club.

Step 3: Watch how Chiesa has to suddenly rethink everything.

Ok, les see..

Step 1: His agent will not have any offer for him for more than 35M... cause no team its interest in paying that for a player that has one year contract left, want big wages, its injury prone, and has not good form in the last 2 years.

Step 2: So what... he decides to stay, he is somehow young and in january can sign with other team in Serie A for free

Step 3: Back to step 2...


All of those steps only lead to Juve losing Chiesa for free next year and having to pay him his wages (wich are not low) for a year.

Ok, listen, Its not like we are seen teams raining with offers to get him and Juve or Chiesa are refusing them, If Juve had one offer for more than 30m he would already be gone, the fact that you see nothing even from the rumours that say that any team its interest in offer more than 20M would make us see the reality... Chiesa dont worth that much at this moment.

Chiesa worth in our books its between 15 and 17M fo what I have read, so anything more than that its winning...

Of course I would love to see us selling him for more than 35M, I was hoping that he had a good Euro so we can at least use that to increase his value, but he didnt...

 

[Alin]

Ok, les see..

Step 1: His agent will not have any offer for him for more than 35M... cause no team its interest in paying that for a player that has one year contract left, want big wages, its injury prone, and has not good form in the last 2 years.

Step 2: So what... he decides to stay, he is somehow young and in january can sign with other team in Serie A for free

Step 3: Back to step 2...


All of those steps only lead to Juve losing Chiesa for free next year and having to pay him his wages (wich are not low) for a year.

Ok, listen, Its not like we are seen teams raining with offers to get him and Juve or Chiesa are refusing them, If Juve had one offer for more than 30m he would already be gone, the fact that you see nothing even from the rumours that say that any team its interest in offer more than 20M would make us see the reality... Chiesa dont worth that much at this moment.

Chiesa worth in our books its between 15 and 17M fo what I have read, so anything more than that its winning...

Of course I would love to see us selling him for more than 35M, I was hoping that he had a good Euro so we can at least use that to increase his value, but he didnt...

I am sorry but i can not agree with the first part, how can you think that Chiesa wouldn’t be afraid about potentially wasting another full year of not playing at all? He isn’t that old but what you are saying is that he would be fine with just wasting another season of his prime years and when he’s been the most fit in years… i doubt it, and we should be using it to our advantage because if there is something obvious about Chiesa is that he wants to play and to have guarantees regarding his role and playing time.

Also, for that kind of absurd fee we can also keep him boiling for a few months in the stands to see if he rethinks everything before maybe opening up again to a sell in January where we will still likely fetch somewhere close to €15M for him anyway if he actually wants to get back to playing right away instead of signing a precontract and spending another additional 8 months without an official game.

 

[Espectro]

I am sorry but i can not agree with the first part, how can you think that Chiesa wouldn’t be afraid about potentially wasting another full year of not playing at all? He isn’t that old but what you are saying is that he would be fine with just wasting another season of his prime years and when he’s been the most fit in years… i doubt it, and we should be using it to our advantage because if there is something obvious about Chiesa is that he wants to play and to have guarantees regarding his role and playing time.

Also, for that kind of absurd fee we can also keep him boiling for a few months in the stands to see if he rethinks everything before maybe opening up again to a sell in January where we will still likely fetch somewhere close to €15M for him anyway if he actually wants to get back to playing right away instead of signing a precontract and spending another additional 8 months without an official game.

Players do greedy and stupid things all the time.. look at McK! it would not be the first time.

Look, if we can get any team to offer us 35M or more, thats great, but at the moment, no team has come to do that, heck no team has even come to offer us more than 20M!!

 

[Alin]

Players do greedy and stupid things all the time.. look at McK! it would not be the first time.

Look, if we can get any team to offer us 35M or more, thats great, but at the moment, no team has come to do that, heck no team has even come to offer us more than 20M!!

Maybe in the current circumstances anything over €30M would already be more than enough but we definitely shouldn’t cave in to insulting offers either, because as much as Chiesa has leverage with the expiring contract we can just as well exploit his eagerness to play by putting out there the possibility of leaving him in the stands for another full season.

 

[Lion]

ideal scenarios:

swap for sancho with sancho lowering wage demands
swap for bernardo silva
swap for dybala
swap for leroy sane

 

[Espectro]

Maybe in the current circumstances anything over €30M would already be more than enough but we definitely shouldn’t cave in to insulting offers either, because as much as Chiesa has leverage with the expiring contract we can just as well exploit his eagerness to play by putting out there the possibility of leaving him in the stands for another full season.

The thing is... you have to remember that in thse current days, players have more leverage than clubs, at the moment Juventus have come to a negociation where they have to sell a player that, like I said before:

1- Wants big wages
2- Has one year of contract
3- Its injury prone
4- Has not been on good shape for the last 2 years (or t least not what everybody is expeting from him)
5- Did not had a good Euro
6- Has been made public that his coach dont want him or dont need him (This is probably on Juventus)

Add all of those points and you see why nobody has come to offer big money for him and wy probably nobody will.

Again, this is t a case where Juventus or Chiesa are refusing offers, they offers just dont come...

Juventus can only "leverage" on Chiesa to extend his contract or not, wich in this case, both parties seem to agree that thet dont want to, so why would we go and threat the player? doesnt make sense.

I agree with you that we dont have to agree in "insulting offers" but, giving the reality of the situation, we have to accept that an offer of plus 30M it may be a dream.

To be honest, if Roma puts an offer of 25M plus on the table, we should really consider it.