Euro 2008 LIVE (8 Viewers)

[Enron]

It's true the defending was kind of bad from teams that are expected to have traditionally good defending. But I believe that was probably caused by the inconsistency of referees early on which led to the lack of aggressiveness.

 

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[Bjerknes]

People will always find moronic reasons to blast a tournament. The defending wasn't great but football won because the play was very positive. I wouldn't necessarily say the defending was "poor," but instead there were teams on display who were adept attacking and those teams progressed, thankfully. But Juve Red stating that he thought this tournament was quite poor and Lion agreeing with him is frankly mind-boggling.

 

[Enron]

People will always find moronic reasons to blast a tournament. The defending wasn't great but football won because the play was very positive. I wouldn't necessarily say the defending was "poor," but instead there were teams on display who were adept attacking and those teams progressed, thankfully. But Juve Red stating that he thought this tournament was quite poor and Lion agreeing with him is frankly mind-boggling.

Well it's kind of like in the NCAAs when a lot of the powerhouses don't go far, people say the quality of the tournament was low, but in reality it was the perennial favorites who were of low quality. The same can be said in this tournament as Italy, France, Portugal, and Sweden all bowed out to "lesser" competition and that makes the tournament poor quality. But in reality Italy, France, Portugal, and Sweden were the "lesser" competition.

 

[Lion]

It's not moronic to criticize the defending, when it right to do so. It's moronic to criticize the criticism of someone awesome like me and people like Martin, and Juve red, who are quite right when they state that the defending was poor.

 

[Bjerknes]

Well it's kind of like in the NCAAs when a lot of the powerhouses don't go far, people say the quality of the tournament was low, but in reality it was the perennial favorites who were of low quality. The same can be said in this tournament as Italy, France, Portugal, and Sweden all bowed out to "lesser" competition and that makes the tournament poor quality. But in reality Italy, France, Portugal, and Sweden were the "lesser" competition.

Exactly. And that's a ridiculous reason to say a tournament sucked, if that's what they're doing here.

 

[Bjerknes]

It's not moronic to criticize the defending, when it right to do so. It's moronic to criticize the criticism of someone awesome like me and people like Martin, and Juve red, who are quite right when they state that the defending was poor.

Choose your words more carefully then.

 

[ßöмßäяðîëя]

It's not moronic to criticize the defending, when it right to do so. It's moronic to criticize the criticism of someone awesome like me and people like Martin, and Juve red, who are quite right when they state that the defending was poor.

:analcanon:

 

[Lion]

Choose your words more carefully then.

and lose out on the fun.

:analcanon:

Good day sir.

 

[Red]

Oh come on, that tournament was great and the Spanish defense was great.

No idea why people always complain even if they see good football out there.

Spain are a good team, nothing more nothing less. There defending was solid, though they were rarely tested.

Who did Spain beat?

Russia that can't defend, Sweden who are a nothing side, Greece who are terrible, Donadoni's Italy and a very average German side.

I'm not criticising Spain, I'm criticising the lack of decent opposition for them.

 

[ßöмßäяðîëя]

So then who did Germany beat? The "great" Portugal squad.....

 

[swag]

Indeed. It's a frickin travesty that this Germany team made it to the final. They stink.

IMO, the brackets were very favorable to them. They only impressed against Poland and a Portuguese side who was a physical mismatch and whom Germany always seems to have an answer to, Rochambeau-style.

Ballack overrated? Are you serious?

I don't know about overrated. But the guy does get way too much Nike commercial time for what he contributes on the pitch in big matches, IMO.

I do not see Ballack as ever being the player who elevates a team to a title or cup victory. Good and influential, but never good enough for first prize.

What?

You are allowed to make statements like that when you are over the age of 12.

:rofl2:

forget about the defenses for a second. What's up with the goalkeeping?

Cech, Casillas, Rustu, Lehman, and others made some eye brow raising mistakes. Even Buffon almost conceded a stupid goal

Some of the backpassing in this tournament was horrendous, though, too. Zambrotta for one, as he did in eliminating Barça from the CL this year. But even Sergio Ramos -- once when he choked in the group stage, and almost again last night.

I always thought Lehmann was overrated though.

Never overrated, but always dicey and occasionally rusty.

Good day sir.

I said good day, sir!

Ex-Lion, I'm telling ya, if Villa was healthy, Spain would have won 3-0 yesterday.

So then who did Germany beat? The "great" Portugal squad.....

Which it would take a pretty sad sack of Germany, such as the Euro 2000 squad, to flub against Portugal in any given year.

 

[ßöмßäяðîëя]

Well maybe not overrated, but when Kahn used to make mistakes at the back and look old and out-of-shape, I used to say that he was too busy eating his doughnuts in goal to pay attention. I also said the same thing about Buffon and smoking. "Ohhh, look at big Buffon, he better get out from having that smoke break and get back in net..."

Shit like that, well I found myself saying Lehmann also was in the net with Kahn and Buffon taking shots, eating doughnuts, and smoking cigs when he needed to have his gloves on and be in net.

 

[swag]

I think Lehman played well overall in the tournament, IMO. Surprisingly so. Even if I fault him for the lone game-winner yesterday.

He looked awkward most of the time -- like he had too many doughnuts. But he was effective.

 

[ßöмßäяðîëя]

Exactly, you could see the powdered sugar rolling off his jaws when he came out to get that ball off the foot of Torres.

 

[swag]

Yeah. That was bad.

I mean, if you're gonna come out of goal, get a piece of the ball -- not a piece of a doughnut!

And then not trusting the two defenders on Torres -- and even forcing Lahm to drop back at the last minute for fear of colliding with Lehman? Bad bad bad...

 

[ßöмßäяðîëя]

A piece of doughnut? It was obvious he was grabbing for Torres' boot because it looked glazed.


He wasn't even going for the ball....

This is why I say Adler or Rensing should take the reigns in goal.

 

[swag]

A piece of doughnut? It was obvious he was grabbing for Torres' boot because it looked glazed.

Though perhaps not as glazed as Xabi Alonso and Torres in the locker room after the match.

 

[Lion]

I said good day, sir!

Ex-Lion, I'm telling ya, if Villa was healthy, Spain would have won 3-0 yesterday.

If Villa was playing, he would have ripped Lehman a new asshole. something Nancy would have been proud of.

 

[swag]

If Villa was playing, he would have tore a new asshole in Lehman. something Nancy would have been proud of.

Damn straight. Lehman would have been spanked like a fat man dancing in a sprinkler at Hermann Göring's annual "Chubby Chaser Faire".

 

[Lion]

and I don't even know what/who Hermann Goring is!