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Ford Prefect

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Right guys i need some help for an essay im writting because i don't know much on the subject, heres the question;

Why did the US persist with the Vietnam war for so long?

any documents or knowledge you have will be gratefully recieved!

thanks in advance
 

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swag

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Sep 23, 2003
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I always sucked at history and political science. But I'm an American, and the war ended in my lifetime... so that makes me qualified. (???) :D

So here's my theory...

The ideological battle with Communism, and giving ground to the Soviets, dominated American foreign policy throughout the Cold War era.

Furthermore, America used to boast that they had never lost a war -- even if it was clear that a decade earlier in Korea they had fallen off of their winning streak. And yet still held out that with time, that two could swing their way. After all, South & North Korea are still technically at war.

To withdraw would mean to accept a symbolic defeat against the ideology of Communism. And it would mean accepting defeat for the first time in anyone's cultural memory. Hence why Vietnam war veterans were greeted at home with great indifference after the war.

So two things:
1) The battle against Communism was seen as extended well beyond the confines of Vietnam and couldn't be conceded, and
2) Culturally and historically, the country could not comprehend the prospect of losing a war. (Even if it was never formally declared a "war" and was, technically, a "police action".)

And hey -- I'm no student. So I'm light on documentation. Sorry. :p
 
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Ford Prefect

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    I always sucked at history and political science. But I'm an American, and the war ended in my lifetime... so that makes me qualified. (???) :D

    So here's my theory...

    The ideological battle with Communism, and giving ground to the Soviets, dominated American foreign policy throughout the Cold War era.

    Furthermore, America used to boast that they had never lost a war -- even if it was clear that a decade earlier in Korea they had fallen off of their winning streak. And yet still held out that with time, that two could swing their way. After all, South & North Korea are still technically at war.

    To withdraw would mean to accept a symbolic defeat against the ideology of Communism. And it would mean accepting defeat for the first time in anyone's cultural memory. Hence why Vietnam war veterans were greeted at home with great indifference after the war.

    So two things:
    1) The battle against Communism was seen as extended well beyond the confines of Vietnam and couldn't be conceded, and
    2) Culturally and historically, the country could not comprehend the prospect of losing a war. (Even if it was never formally declared a "war" and was, technically, a "police action".)

    And hey -- I'm no student. So I'm light on documentation. Sorry. :p

    Thats cool man, i just really need arguments and i can find sources to fit with the argument! I recon i can get 500 words out of the symbolism of losing a war!
     

    mikhail

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    Jan 24, 2003
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    Thats cool man, i just really need arguments and i can find sources to fit with the argument! I recon i can get 500 words out of the symbolism of losing a war!
    Here's Eisenhower's speech on why the US should enter the war:
    http://www.mtholyoke.edu/acad/intrel/eisen.htm
    Elements of what Swag discussed are mentioned here - the symbolic war against communism.

    The main thrust of this article is a little off centre for you, but it'll provide a quick overview of Kennedy's speeches on the subject.
    http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/goldzwig.htm

    Kennedy on "The Domino Theory"
    http://www.mtholyoke.edu/acad/intrel/pentagon2/ps31.htm
    which LBJ supported:
    http://www.mtholyoke.edu/acad/intrel/pentagon3/ps2.htm

    Here's an early memo from the Secretary of Defence to LBJ,
    http://www.mtholyoke.edu/acad/intrel/pentagon3/doc158.htm
    The short section, "U.S. OBJECTIVES IN SOUTH VIETNAM" is a neat summary. In particular, note the line, "...the South Vietnam conflict is regarded as a test case of U.S. capacity to help a nation meet a Communist "war of liberation.""

    Here's John Kerry criticising that policy in front of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee:
    http://hnn.us/articles/3631.html
    "In our opinion and from our experience, there is nothing in South Vietnam which could happen that realistically threatens the United States of America...

    We found ... it a civil war, an effort by a people who had for years been seeking their liberation from any colonial influence whatsoever...

    We found most people didn't even know the difference between communism and democracy."

    Walter Cronkite's NPR piece on how and why US public opinion turned against the Vietname war. (audio)
    http://www.npr.org/ramfiles/atc/20020807.atc.06.ram

    Most of these came from http://www.mtholyoke.edu/acad/intrel/vietnam.htm, which is a tremendous resource.
     
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    Ford Prefect

    Ford Prefect

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    Here's Eisenhower's speech on why the US should enter the war:
    http://www.mtholyoke.edu/acad/intrel/eisen.htm
    Elements of what Swag discussed are mentioned here - the symbolic war against communism.

    The main thrust of this article is a little off centre for you, but it'll provide a quick overview of Kennedy's speeches on the subject.
    http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/goldzwig.htm

    Kennedy on "The Domino Theory"
    http://www.mtholyoke.edu/acad/intrel/pentagon2/ps31.htm
    which LBJ supported:
    http://www.mtholyoke.edu/acad/intrel/pentagon3/ps2.htm

    Here's an early memo from the Secretary of Defence to LBJ,
    http://www.mtholyoke.edu/acad/intrel/pentagon3/doc158.htm
    The short section, "U.S. OBJECTIVES IN SOUTH VIETNAM" is a neat summary. In particular, note the line, "...the South Vietnam conflict is regarded as a test case of U.S. capacity to help a nation meet a Communist "war of liberation.""

    Here's John Kerry criticising that policy in front of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee:
    http://hnn.us/articles/3631.html
    "In our opinion and from our experience, there is nothing in South Vietnam which could happen that realistically threatens the United States of America...

    We found ... it a civil war, an effort by a people who had for years been seeking their liberation from any colonial influence whatsoever...

    We found most people didn't even know the difference between communism and democracy."

    Walter Cronkite's NPR piece on how and why US public opinion turned against the Vietname war. (audio)
    http://www.npr.org/ramfiles/atc/20020807.atc.06.ram

    Most of these came from http://www.mtholyoke.edu/acad/intrel/vietnam.htm, which is a tremendous resource.

    You are a fucking god man!

    "You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to mikhail again"

    All of the second part of this essay has been finished for me!
     

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