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Hist

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It'd be closer to that, than 40M I would think.


Laugh as much as you can, but he has become an unimportant player both for his NT and Bayern. His goal in the final of the WC might be the best thing he will ever do in his career.
He is getting to be 24 years old this summer and he is still considered as a talent. More, I don't remember him being played out of position and becoming starter there. Asamoah did it.
You can say Bayern are a much better team than we are... I guess we will see.
Is there anything better than scoring in a world cup final clinching the title?

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In a high quality morata replacement, a RB and a top tier AM we will have to do a considerable investment.

Obvs if Morata is called back we will receive 30 mils so we can buy berardi with that (maybe). the AM will be expensive, i calculate above 40 mils. A young reliable RB will be around the Sandro figure...22 mils or so.

Thats a Load of money right there.

Cuadrado will have to be passed on unless we get discounts and in payments if possible.

Lemina maybe with a renewed loan?.

If we receive a crazy EPL offer for Zaza, we should consider selling and buy Cavani.
I think our option for Berardi is 25 mills and so if he is our morata replacement we will have a profit of 5-10 mill (Madrid's deal says 30 or 35?).

A young reliable RB should not be as expensive as Sandro. Van Der Weil is available for free. Vrsajlo or whatever his name is will be 10-15 at most. I don't think we will get Cuadrado AND another good RB/RWB AND keep Licht. That would be 3 good players for one position. I think we will either get Cuadrado or we will get a Rb/RWB to rotate with Licht but not both. If we keep Caudrado then we will fork 20 mill or whatever the deal with Chelsea was. If not then we will fork less.

AM/CM will be expensive and hopefully rightfully so. One of Asa and Lemina will go and they should even each other out. Hernanes should also go.

So thats one truly expensive signing and the rest should be cheap buys (unless Caudrado stays)
 

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Hydde

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Is there anything better than scoring in a world cup final clinching the title?

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I think our option for Berardi is 25 mills and so if he is our morata replacement we will have a profit of 5-10 mill (Madrid's deal says 30 or 35?).

A young reliable RB should not be as expensive as Sandro. Van Der Weil is available for free. Vrsajlo or whatever his name is will be 10-15 at most. I don't think we will get Cuadrado AND another good RB/RWB AND keep Licht. That would be 3 good players for one position. I think we will either get Cuadrado or we will get a Rb/RWB to rotate with Licht but not both. If we keep Caudrado then we will fork 20 mill or whatever the deal with Chelsea was. If not then we will fork less.

AM/CM will be expensive and hopefully rightfully so. One of Asa and Lemina will go and they should even each other out. Hernanes should also go.

So thats one truly expensive signing and the rest should be cheap buys (unless Caudrado stays)
:tup:

Lets hope so.
I think we can do better than cuadrado and find someone who can cover licht much better. And for 433, berardi would be miles ahead of cuadrado in terms of endproduct...we will be losing nothing there. Also maybe he can work as a replacement for Dybala in a 4312 too.

CF we would be left with Zaza and mandz for one more season. I think is not terribad... not top tier but not bad. I would prefer to have a real bomber who can score for fun tho.... but you know.. i also think that the problem in this juve is not the forwards alone, but the lack of chances they get, or more specifically, that we create for them. So maybe with a trequartista of top class, our goalscorers will increase their goal count considerably.

We can try this for one more season and see how we do with our current CFs and a treq, and if the CFs cannot score consistently even when receiving chances, we will have to replace one of our CFs with a top tier forward.
 

zizinho

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Is there anything better than scoring in a world cup final clinching the title?

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I think our option for Berardi is 25 mills and so if he is our morata replacement we will have a profit of 5-10 mill (Madrid's deal says 30 or 35?).

A young reliable RB should not be as expensive as Sandro. Van Der Weil is available for free. Vrsajlo or whatever his name is will be 10-15 at most. I don't think we will get Cuadrado AND another good RB/RWB AND keep Licht. That would be 3 good players for one position. I think we will either get Cuadrado or we will get a Rb/RWB to rotate with Licht but not both. If we keep Caudrado then we will fork 20 mill or whatever the deal with Chelsea was. If not then we will fork less.

AM/CM will be expensive and hopefully rightfully so. One of Asa and Lemina will go and they should even each other out. Hernanes should also go.

So thats one truly expensive signing and the rest should be cheap buys (unless Caudrado stays)
Van der Wiel is not so young. 28 already. + hes not that good either
 

Hist

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Van der Wiel is not so young. 28 already. + hes not that good either
I havent been watching him but I doubt you have either I am judging purely by reputation to be honest. He is experienced and played years for a top team that could have always bought better players if they wanted. He is free so it seems like a good deal for me.

The alternative is a complete unknown at Sassoulo who I also haven't watched closely at all and I doubt anyone has (bearing in mind that I dont think any of us have seen lemina closely yet) and would cost money.

Given the severe lack of information I'd rather get the experienced free player from the top team and keep the money for CM/CAM unless the Sassoulo kid was found to be a fantastic player in the making.
 

zizinho

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I havent been watching him but I doubt you have either I am judging purely by reputation to be honest. He is experienced and played years for a top team that could have always bought better players if they wanted. He is free so it seems like a good deal for me.

The alternative is a complete unknown at Sassoulo who I also haven't watched closely at all and I doubt anyone has (bearing in mind that I dont think any of us have seen lemina closely yet) and would cost money.

Given the severe lack of information I'd rather get the experienced free player from the top team and keep the money for CM/CAM unless the Sassoulo kid was found to be a fantastic player in the making.
me too :p i never hear anyone praise him for the last 6 years since WC2010

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i do hear people call him crap though
 
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Gotze will benefit from Ancelotti's arrival IMO. No point in discussing him.
Does anyone consider Ancelotti trying to poach RM stars? It might have nothing to do with Goetze, but any ideas about Real M - Bayern possible swaps?

For one Lewandowski is a player wanted by RM and some news outlets are saying they'd spend 100M even on Dortmund's Batman.
 

Hydde

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Does anyone consider Ancelotti trying to poach RM stars? It might have nothing to do with Goetze, but any ideas about Real M - Bayern possible swaps?

For one Lewandowski is a player wanted by RM and some news outlets are saying they'd spend 100M even on Dortmund's Batman.
Incidentally, some peeps i know where discussing about a distant possibility that maybe Bayern would try to lure cristiano ronaldo out of Madrid.

Personally i think that Cristiano as a real madrid player is done..and he enjoyed a lot to work under ancelotti. He (carletto) could make him return to his best again in a real team like bayern. And to be honest... a front line of Robben,Lewa,Ronaldo would be fukin nuts.

Improbable, but who knows. I dont think Ronaldo would return to the EPL or anywhere else. He needs to go to a major team with pedigree...not only with money. ManU is a madhouse and he won everything there already, PSG...nah....City?...noup....Chelsea?..nah. Barcelona? no fukin way.

Bayern is the only team that makes some sense for him.
 

LiquidPLP

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Does anyone consider Ancelotti trying to poach RM stars? It might have nothing to do with Goetze, but any ideas about Real M - Bayern possible swaps?

For one Lewandowski is a player wanted by RM and some news outlets are saying they'd spend 100M even on Dortmund's Batman.
Even if some movements happen we won't benefit from it in any way. Those days are long gone, you either pay a price tag or you go home empty handed. Madrid don't sell for cheap any more, mostly because they don't have to.
 

Hydde

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Even if some movements happen we won't benefit from it in any way. Those days are long gone, you either pay a price tag or you go home empty handed. Madrid don't sell for cheap any more, mostly because they don't have to.
:tup:

it only could benefit us if some movements make certain players unhappy and wanting to hear offers....but still if we want those player we will have to paid top price.
 
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Chelsea are officially out now and I am expecting major reshuffle of the card deck there this summer. They would not qualify for CL and if they hire Conte that would spell certain doom for those who would consider not giving their best. That's a lot of people there.

Not to mention in a typical Brit fashion everyone there would be stealing 'puppies from the foxes den'. Mahrez for 50 mil pounds anyone?
 

baggio

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I can see us get an offer for Zaza from the EPL, and we will likely cash in. 25-30m. That may go some way toward a top AM with another younger backup forward coming in.

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We can only just afford one. Oscar it is.
Willian. Most value for money player on that team.
 
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I'd be more than happy if we'd be able to field something like this next season.

---------------Buffon
Vrsaljko Bonucci Chiellini Alex Sandro
-----Khedira Marchisio Pogba
----------------Oscar
-----------Dybala Mandzukic

Would be ok with Lichtsteiner at rb still tough and we definitely need to think about Khedira cover if Sturaro/Lemina/Asamoah don't impress enough in the coming months. Ideally I would love to have Sturaro in the starting lineup but he hasn't really improved as he should have this season with all the game time he has been getting. Hopefully he will start to offer something going forward soon enough defensively he has been solid can still improve on that also.
 

Rollie

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If we get all those players we are certainly selling someone. We'd have enough mids to take over Moscow, so I can't see them too happy with their playing time either.
Yeah, I'm not sure who we'd sell. Morata if Madrid takes their option, other than that, I don't see us selling any of the forwards or defence we currently have. Either newly acquired and doing fairly well, or too important to the future.

Would love to see Hernanes go, think Padoin should be sold (even though he just signed a new deal), but it's just too hard to tell what management will want to do.

Also important to remember the homegrown quota increase, so there's another space or two there they'll have to figure out. Some tough choices ahead.

Call me crazy but I`m not that keen on Cuadrado..
I think he is an on and off player - his ball control and speed is an asset but he is too brainless of a player!
Depends on our formation for next season and depends on our ability to get our targets we should consider purchase him or let him go!
Vrsljko - I`m very impressed by this player - Should definitely get him and I also dont expect him to cost too much..
CM - Still to be decided but we definitely need to get someone of great quality there
AM - Depends on formation
CF - I really hope we get someone great and prolific

As for the guy who said Pereyra is better than Salah - Stop being so biased! look at both of the players and then say who is better!
Stats alone should give you a clue
I don't think you're crazy about Cuadrado. In fact, I've gone back and forth on the guy a couple times. Was initially quite happy when he arrived --> then thought he would be surplus because of our setup, and too expensive given how Max would use him --> then thought he was playing pretty effectively in that RWB role, and the market went bananas in the winter with all that Chinese money... so I figured we'd sign him, and it would probably be the right call. I generally like the guy's attitude, and think he works hard, but he really lacks end product. It's going to be an interesting negotiation, but I don't think we'll get too much of a discount. I guess we'll see.

I think we need a RB for the future, a CM who can effectively distribute, a backup SS, and, if I had my way, a CAM so that Allegri has the resources he needs for his preferred tactics (which also generally suit our personnel).

That would be a terrible market for me. Licht, Cuadrado and a new very good right wingback seems like overkill for me. I'd take Cuadrado only if Chelsea give us a huge discount. Otherwise go for Van Der Weil or some other RB/RWB on the cheap.

Similarly Lemina needs to do more (and doesn't seem to have the time) to warrant us spending 10 mill on him. We should be going for a 1st team material CM that can deputize for Marchisio and play next to him when Khedira is not in shape. If we do that we would have that new player or Khedira as our first sub and we already have a very reliable player in sturaro as another sub. Asamoah should return too. I'd keep Lemina only if Asa is confirmed to be broken and in that case he should be able to make us 10 mills. Pogba, marchisio, new top CM, Khedira, Sturaro and one of Asa/Lemina is more than enough.

I doubt anyone would go over 25 mill for berardi given this season's performances. In any case there are other SSs we could get to deputize for dybala like Ljajic and shouldnt cost much. The option on him is 11 mill and inter is broke and he has a bad relationship with Mancini. If morata goes then we could get Berardi and still have 10 mill to spare.

But supposing the transfers you listed are made I think we would still have money for more. 55 mill is a big number but there is probably outgoing players as well. We are set in attack and berardi would come only if morata goes (I am speculating ofc) and that leaves us with an extra 10 mill. Lemina will stay if Asa goes and so that at worst should make us break even. I doubt we will get a 3rd RWB on top of cuadrado and Licht and if we do it will be someone really cheap or free. So in the end you could be looking at -20 mill net after buying Cuadrado and another full back. If our budget is around a 50 mill then there is still money for another AM.
It does lack the appeal of bringing in some more established attackers, or stud CM :D

Yeah, I get the overkill element on that right side. If we do go for another player over there, hopefully he'll be more RB than RWB. I want that tactical flexibility for Europe, and I think next year we might see Lichtsteiner's play really start to drop off (he's been in decline for a over a season already). Might be prudent to secure his successor before that happens. All depends on Cuads situation.

Likewise, I need to see more of Lemina. I've seen all of his games for us so far, but that's a small sample size, and obviously the injury issues make me nervous about him. He flashes at times, but still hard to say if he's good enough in the longer term, or if he does turn out to be good enough eventually, how long will that take?

I'm of the mindset that we should also be looking for a 1st choice CM. Our strength was our midfield, and right now there are just too many questions marks, too many games lost to injury. We need somebody who can distribute, but hopefully the incoming player won't be too soft, because we could use a bit more steel in there, too. Need a nicely rounded player. I generally think that, whenever possible, most purchases the club makes should be targeting an improvement to the first team (which also boosts our depth, unless the incumbent wants out). I like that midfield you're projecting.

I also doubt anyone will be throwing down more than 25M for Berardi. Ljacić is a very talented guy, but so inconsistent, and I do worry about his mentality. I don't think I'd target him for that reason, I think ego/focus will be an issue. I also don't think Inter can afford to let him go at this point, as little quality as they have up front. Will be interesting to see how they finish up, but if I were Thohir, I'd fire Mancini at the end of the season (I really don't like the guy, ever since his implosion after the Liverpool CL debacle. Just don't think he's a leader).

I know you're not huge on Morata, but I'm not ready to give up on the guy yet, so that complicates those financial predictions. So many questions, hopefully the group will provide some answers through their performances the rest of the way (particularly Lemina and Cuadrado).
 
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