Does God exist? (William Lane Craig vs Peter Atkins debate) (21 Viewers)
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God is such a dick.
The guys were spiritual, not religious.
Two great quotes.
There are hundreds.
Yea, because Whites use cocaine and shit behind closed doors that they purchase on the streets from blacks.
Blacks tend to be sellers and providers, Whites just the consumer.
God exists and his name is: Gordon Nigel Roland "Mr. Penis Breath" Dicknostril Gravityman
The guys were spiritual, not religious.
Two great quotes.
There are hundreds.
Yea, because Whites use cocaine and shit behind closed doors that they purchase on the streets from blacks.
Blacks tend to be sellers and providers, Whites just the consumer.
God exists and his name is: Gordon Nigel Roland "Mr. Penis Breath" Dicknostril Gravityman
I don't think those books meant to be understood literaly as it is written. Plus there is a lot of truth to the meaning behind the words in those books which doesn't change with time, while science is very fickle, what is a scientific fact today can be obsolete tomorrow.
And the thing is you just changed your belief systems to the one which doesn't lead you anywhere, because with every new discovery there will be a need for a newer one, this doesn't bring peace to mind and soul.
Anyway, not being stuck in one place is a good thing too, this challanges your beliefs and makes you think and in the end you will only benifit from this, just don't stop searching.
And the thing is you just changed your belief systems to the one which doesn't lead you anywhere, because with every new discovery there will be a need for a newer one, this doesn't bring peace to mind and soul.
Anyway, not being stuck in one place is a good thing too, this challanges your beliefs and makes you think and in the end you will only benifit from this, just don't stop searching.
If you say science is fickle, then I'll say that God is fickle to issue a book with his words, but put his words in such a way that the meaning of his words become irrelevant in time, so that the words need to be "interpreted" to fit modern society. Where is the constancy in that? Many aspects of religious books are obsolete now. You don't see a Christian killing a neighbour who works on a Sunday. This is one example of a religious preaching becoming obsolete. So why do you still believe it? Why couldn't God write a book whose literal meaning and purpose will stay consistent until the next apocalypse occurs?
Also, facts can change when new evidence is brought forth. Enough evidence to clear any doubts of that fact. An explanation that fits all the evidence available at that time. Would you rather believe in an age old claim that does not provide any evidence over time, whatsoever, or would believe in a claim that provides enough evidence for you to believe in it?
Besides, there's the big question of 'who created the creator?'. I don't think any religious text satisfactorily explains how the creator of the creator was created. How can this uncertainty bring peace of mind?
EDIT: Just want to add that the scale of the thing we are trying to understand and explain is so huge that we cannot get it right the first time. Humans will always make mistakes and explain things one way, and then abandon that explanation when newer evidence either contradicts that explanation or opens up the possibility for a better explanation. We humans should embrace newer evidence and better explanations, not shy away from it and disbelieve in it due to science's ever-changing explanations.
Also, facts can change when new evidence is brought forth. Enough evidence to clear any doubts of that fact. An explanation that fits all the evidence available at that time. Would you rather believe in an age old claim that does not provide any evidence over time, whatsoever, or would believe in a claim that provides enough evidence for you to believe in it?
Besides, there's the big question of 'who created the creator?'. I don't think any religious text satisfactorily explains how the creator of the creator was created. How can this uncertainty bring peace of mind?
EDIT: Just want to add that the scale of the thing we are trying to understand and explain is so huge that we cannot get it right the first time. Humans will always make mistakes and explain things one way, and then abandon that explanation when newer evidence either contradicts that explanation or opens up the possibility for a better explanation. We humans should embrace newer evidence and better explanations, not shy away from it and disbelieve in it due to science's ever-changing explanations.
I'm not believing in any god who somehow influenced people to write those books, and I'm not saying that these books are divine holy or any other supernatural meaning. And certainly don't believe in any personal god who has feelings or any of the emotions attributed to us humans.
I'm just saying that these books, writings or whatever holds deeper meanings than hold the test of time and to think otherwise is odd to me. In these books are written things like love, don't hate and you will be happy, do whatever in your power to do good and you will feel better (i'm kinda tired so i'm just generalising now
) I mean that still is true today as in the day it was written or first said dont you think? These books are nothing divine or holy, they are just written expirience from years and years of generations and throughout generations these stories wouldn't have survived if they were not true, it is this way that it is proven that they are true.
So tu turn from spirituality and to imerse yourself in this scientific truth is very dangerous, because not only you are believing in things, (because it is belief, just different kind) that tomorrow might not be true, but you are things that leads you nowhere. Btw, I'm in no way against science, I just think that the direction we take is the wrong one, the one that leads nowhere, the one that with every new theory makes more questions and that is because I think we should live happy lives and science in no way can bring you inner happines while religion or spirituality I think can.
And I won't even go to the debate 'who created the creator' because to me it is obsolete, you will to these infinity loop if you go there and will not be any more happy while trying to find the next creator.
I think these texts should be taken as life guide not as an scientific explanation of universe creation. Because these text are written by people, maybe those people were a bit more in contact with the world and new a bunch of stuff more then us but they were still written by people, and you should take them as that. But not forget that these text with their stories are way before us and the information would not have gone through if it were false.
I just want to ask you one question? what is the point of all this huge thing we cannot understand and what will be achieved if science one day would actually proven something that couldn't be disproved like the formula of the universe and its creation or something like that? What would that achieve in the end?
I'm just saying that these books, writings or whatever holds deeper meanings than hold the test of time and to think otherwise is odd to me. In these books are written things like love, don't hate and you will be happy, do whatever in your power to do good and you will feel better (i'm kinda tired so i'm just generalising now
) I mean that still is true today as in the day it was written or first said dont you think? These books are nothing divine or holy, they are just written expirience from years and years of generations and throughout generations these stories wouldn't have survived if they were not true, it is this way that it is proven that they are true.So tu turn from spirituality and to imerse yourself in this scientific truth is very dangerous, because not only you are believing in things, (because it is belief, just different kind) that tomorrow might not be true, but you are things that leads you nowhere. Btw, I'm in no way against science, I just think that the direction we take is the wrong one, the one that leads nowhere, the one that with every new theory makes more questions and that is because I think we should live happy lives and science in no way can bring you inner happines while religion or spirituality I think can.
And I won't even go to the debate 'who created the creator' because to me it is obsolete, you will to these infinity loop if you go there and will not be any more happy while trying to find the next creator.
I think these texts should be taken as life guide not as an scientific explanation of universe creation. Because these text are written by people, maybe those people were a bit more in contact with the world and new a bunch of stuff more then us but they were still written by people, and you should take them as that. But not forget that these text with their stories are way before us and the information would not have gone through if it were false.
I just want to ask you one question? what is the point of all this huge thing we cannot understand and what will be achieved if science one day would actually proven something that couldn't be disproved like the formula of the universe and its creation or something like that? What would that achieve in the end?