Does God exist? (William Lane Craig vs Peter Atkins debate) (33 Viewers)

[Kasaki]

"All national institutions of churches, whether Jewish, Christian or Turkish, appear to me no other than human inventions, set up to terrify and enslave mankind, and monopolize power and profit." Thomas Paine

"I almost shudder at the thought of alluding to the most fatal example of the abuses of grief which the history of mankind has preserved -- the Cross. Consider what calamities that engine of grief has produced!" John Adams

I would argue otherwise. I think religion restricts us as human beings from acting selfishly. Although I personally think relgion just teaches us how to be good human beings. Something that we should already know, don't lie? steal? kill? Well I guess it isn't clear to some people

 

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Didn't Atkins die choking on his own diet?

 

[X Æ A-12]

I understand there are those that get in your face about it, I've had run ins with those people myself. That's why I don't do it myself, but what some atheists do is to counter them by doing the very same thing! How does that make you any different? I don't understand the logic. They preach God/religion and you everything against it....how are you any different?

You? I think you should pick your pronouns a little better as I resent my opinions being judged upon the actions of fundamentalist atheists as much as you resent your religion being judged by the actions of radicals. I am not the type of person who tries to push anything on anyone but since this is a forum for discussion I will say what I think.

I'm not going to lie, I feel like you ignored my point about religion imposing upon people through law and also mass media. I have a serious problem with religious groups trying to push their beliefs upon others through law and censorship of media and I refuse to respect the opinions of someone who thinks they can trample upon my rights.

Stay out of my yard and I'll stay out of yours.

 

[Kasaki]

Didn't Atkins die choking on his own diet?

On April 8, 2003, at age 72, a day after a major snowstorm in New York, Atkins slipped on icy pavement, suffering severe head trauma. He spent nine days in intensive care, before dying on April 17, 2003 at 11:01 a.m.

 

[X Æ A-12]

Didn't Atkins die choking on his own diet?

No, but I think he denounced it before dying.

 

[Zé Tahir]

You? I think you should pick your pronouns a little better as I resent my opinions being judged upon the actions of fundamentalist atheists as much as you resent your religion being judged by the actions of radicals. I am not the type of person who tries to push anything on anyone but since this is a forum for discussion I will say what I think.

I'm not going to lie, I feel like you ignored my point about religion imposing upon people through law and also mass media. I have a serious problem with religious groups trying to push their beliefs upon others through law and censorship of media and I refuse to respect the opinions of someone who thinks they can trample upon my rights.

Stay out of my yard and I'll stay out of yours.

Yes, you. Didn't you just say some religious people "constantly bring up their religion and related subjects so why should I not bring up what my thoughts are?"? I thought that meant that you do the same Sorry if I misunderstood that.

 

[X Æ A-12]

Yes, you. Didn't you just say some religious people "constantly bring up their religion and related subjects so why should I not bring up what my thoughts are?"? I thought that meant that you do the same Sorry if I misunderstood that.

In person I'm not such a dick

 

[X Æ A-12]

And I don't see why you would include me in that group anyway. I'm not trying to push my opinion on anyone here either.

 

[ALC]

Government will always be = State + Church . Know Dat son!

Although God is never clearly mentioned in the constitution or Bill of Rights, religion played a rule in the construction of these two set of laws.

I wouldn't be so sure. Amendments are there for a reason. It really is bullshit that you have to swear in the name of God in court and shit, especially if you are of a different religion. I'm not bothered by it but I can see why some people would be and the main thing the Constitution is about is treating everyone as equals.

And as Andy quoted, I remember reading some of the founding fathers were atheists themselves and that's why the Constitution isn't based on religion. Really seems silly that the gov't should follow a book with made-up stories in this day and age, especially when it doesn't affect anything in the least. It just riles up people and politicians know that so they use it to separate them even more.

 

[Kasaki]

I wouldn't be so sure. Amendments are there for a reason. It really is bullshit that you have to swear in the name of God in court and shit, especially if you are of a different religion. I'm not bothered by it but I can see why some people would be and the main thing the Constitution is about is treating everyone as equals.

And as Andy quoted, I remember reading some of the founding fathers were atheists themselves and that's why the Constitution isn't based on religion. Really seems silly that the gov't should follow a book with made-up stories in this day and age, especially when it doesn't affect anything in the least. It just riles up people and politicians know that so they use it to separate them even more.

Some were athiest some weren't. I would have you know that the forefathers were undecided about many things. Abe Lincoln was unsure about slavery , he wrote an essay saying that all blacks are good for is dancing and music

 

[Bjerknes]

Government will always be = State + Church . Know Dat son!

Government and religion. Who has killed more people in history than those two?

Government and religion. That's what is wrong with the world.

 

[Kasaki]

Government and religion. Who has killed more people in history than those two?

Government and religion. That's what is wrong with the world.

You can't get rid of either . People will always look for a half decent as to why they exist. Also people will always take advantage of each other. Heart of Darkness

 

[ALC]

Some were athiest some weren't. I would have you know that the forefathers were undecided about many things. Abe Lincoln was unsure about slavery , he wrote an essay saying that all blacks are good for is dancing and music

Which proves that the Constitution wasn't based on religion.


They're also very good at over-populating prisons.

 

[Kasaki]

Which proves that the Constitution wasn't based on religion.


They're also very good at over-populating prisons.

Read a pretty interesting stat

Whites use 70% of all illegal drugs , yet blacks are seven times as likely to get arrested. Thats a whole diff convo though

 

[Zé Tahir]

Government and religion. Who has killed more people in history than those two?
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The nation created by your atheist forefathers? Atheist communist Soviet? Antisemitic Third Reich?

 

[ALC]

Read a pretty interesting stat

Whites use 70% of all illegal drugs , yet blacks are seven times as likely to get arrested. Thats a whole diff convo though

Haha, just fucking around man.

 

[Bjerknes]

The nation created by your atheist forefathers? Atheist communist Soviet? Antisemitic Third Reich?

The nation you live in, by the way.

Religion has killed far more people than the United States has, or I have.

 

[X Æ A-12]

Read a pretty interesting stat

Whites use 70% of all illegal drugs , yet blacks are seven times as likely to get arrested. Thats a whole diff convo though

Whitey has educational, legal advantages and a majority of cops in this country are white etc.

 

[Zé Tahir]

The nation you live in, by the way.

Yeah, I know that just as you knew I was being included in those who supposedly have killed the most people in the world.

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

Yeah, parts of it. Then I saw Denebs post and got distracted



I understand there are those that get in your face about it, I've had run ins with those people myself. That's why I don't do it myself, but what some atheists do is to counter them by doing the very same thing! How does that make you any different? I don't understand the logic. They preach God/religion and you everything against it....how are you any different?

You know those bumper stickers? "Choose life"? Yeah, they annoy the fuck out of me. I don't know why people feel the need to paste their moral values on big fast moving objects. Annoys the hell out of me. I would never do that.

Hey, read the whole thing. I put a lot of thought into it!

Hmmm, we're different cos [cliché] we're right, and theistic religions are wrong?[/cliché]