Diego Ribas da Cunha (56 Viewers)

[Showdown25]

When Juve played 4-4-2 they had Nedved and Camo (in their primes) on the wings with Emerson and Viera in the middle. Pepe and Martinez aren't Nedved and Camo and Marchisio is good, but Melo and Sissoko are both far below the standard of Emerson and Viera.

Plus Juve had a much better defense back then.

Nedved and Camo were not in their primes when we came back up from Serie B. Sorry that's just out and out disinformation. We also had no Viera or Emerson when we came back up from Serie B. Our defense wasn't much better either Legro and Cheillo, Grygera, Zebina.

Come on now whats your point? You're comparing pre-calciopoli to post-calciopoli. I was talking about the years after we came back up. When we were still playing 4-4-2. 35+ year old Nedved. Camo on the steady decline. Yet we still produced better results. Saw the best of Sissoko.

Maybe just maybe, and I'm going out on a limb here,(making wild and crazy assumptions) we just played to their strengths.

 

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[Wahdan]

Where's Mark?

Sleeping with the fishes.

 

[Showdown25]

In all fairness, he did not blame Diego for the bad season.

Finally the voice of reason. I NEVER blamed Diego for anything. Some members are just so hell bent on being 'right' all the time they do these mental gymnastics and only read or comprehend what they want.

 

[Bjerknes]

In all fairness, he did not blame Diego for the bad season.

Yes he did. He said that without him, we would have stuck with the straight 4-4-2 (which probably is just BS anyway).

With his love for the 4-4-2, that IS blaming Diego.

 

[Hust]

Wolfsburg are offering 7M a year right? That's a massive upgrade..

Really?

 

[Showdown25]

Yes he did. He said that without him, we would have stuck with the straight 4-4-2 (which probably is just BS anyway).

With his love for the 4-4-2, that IS blaming Diego.

Quote me please so I can see where I blamed Diego.

And no I don't love 4-4-2 but if it's what we know and it will get us better results that 4-3-1-2 then I'm all for it. Why not stop fucking the players around and give them some continuity with whatever formation it may be. I don't care.

But you can't seriosuly expect us to stick with a formation such as 4-3-1-2 when we don't have the players for it and our players obviously have no clue what they should be doing when playing it.

 

[JCK]

Afterall the 4-4-2 is in our DNA.

 

[Bjerknes]

Quote me please so I can see where I blamed Diego.

Reread your post yourself. I'm not doing you any favors.

 

[zizoufan]

keep it coming. JCK and Ahmed are enjoying it

 

[Luca]

Really?

Well, they are owned by a car manufacturer, so they can afford to splash the cash, unlike oursel..... oh wait.

 

[Buck Fuddy]

Yes he did. He said that without him, we would have stuck with the straight 4-4-2 (which probably is just BS anyway).

So?
You should read what he said, not read what you think he said (or how you choose to interpret it).

And I agree with a few of the observations he made.

 

[Salvo]

Well, they are owned by a car manufacturer, so they can afford to splash the cash, unlike oursel..... oh wait.

 

[Enron]

Nedved and Camo were not in their primes when we came back up from Serie B. Sorry that's just out and out disinformation. We also had no Viera or Emerson when we came back up from Serie B. Our defense wasn't much better either Legro and Cheillo, Grygera, Zebina.

Come on now whats your point? You're comparing pre-calciopoli to post-calciopoli. I was talking about the years after we came back up. When we were still playing 4-4-2. 35+ year old Nedved. Camo on the steady decline. Yet we still produced better results. Saw the best of Sissoko.

Maybe just maybe, and I'm going out on a limb here,(making wild and crazy assumptions) we just played to their strengths.

I was talking about before Serie B. I thought that was obvious. When the 4-4-2 actually did well and won trophies.

When Ranieri was running he 4-4-2 he did alright but Juve were never really creative. No real service to the strikers. It got one 3rd place finish and the he was sacked the next season. Ferrara came on to save the team and manage a 2nd place.

 

[Hust]

Well, they are owned by a car manufacturer, so they can afford to splash the cash, unlike oursel..... oh wait.

But we are JUVENTUS FFS!!!! No one can push us around, who are they to offer more money than JUVENTUS!!!!

I love this WE ARE JUVENTUS mentality that plagues the forums. As if Wolfsburg are some newly promoted poor team. They have more money to spend than we do probably yet the naive posters here seem to think our name gives us leverage on the market.

 

[Bjerknes]

So?
You should read what he said, not read what you think he said (or how you choose to interpret it).

And I agree with a few of the observations he made.

I read what he said, and it's based on nothing. Ferrara would have probably used the 4-3-1-2 anyway as that is his preferred formation after learning from Lippi.

He is indirectly blaming Diego for the season based on his utopian view of the straight 4-4-2.

 

[Sad Statue]

When Juve played 4-4-2 they had Nedved and Camo (in their primes) on the wings with Emerson and Viera in the middle. Pepe and Martinez aren't Nedved and Camo and Marchisio is good, but Melo and Sissoko are both far below the standard of Emerson and Viera.

Plus Juve had a much better defense back then.

And with the team you describe we got eliminated by arsenal and we would have been eliminated even earlier if wiese hadn't done this idiotic mistake.

I just want to mention that with very good players in almost every position, we were not able to produce something special in europe. last year our board tried to change this and use a new system. this was a good thought. but such a change requires a good manager and some good players. i don't blame our board's idea i just blame the way they tried to accomplish it. i don't miss the 4-4-2 formation and i don't think this is the solution to our problems.

as for diego. he really is an excellent player. i don't think that there are a lot of people that deny this. although there is another big question. will diego play well in juve's new formation. i believe that he will. in werder he played close to the strikers and he can score easily. although this question should be answered by del neri. i think that selling diego after such a season will be one of the worst moves ever. but this is our board's choice and only...

 

[Trezegol17]

u do get that andy & i were being sarcastic not destructive right?!

Tiago is a player i still really like. He is just over-criticised and under-rated on this forum. It is not the player's fault that the management brought him in to play in a system which was never goin to suit his strenghts.

This was (and if these current rumours are ture, it still is) our problem a problem we have at the upper level in terms of persons in charge of acquistions. Secco bought the wrong players for the system we were goin to play & now marotta appears to be in teh process of doing the oppoosite, brought in the wrong coach with the wrong system for the players we have/had.

In today's calcio there is no place for one dimensional old school coaches who are set in their ways and unwilling to adapt to their squads and to changes in the wya calcio is played. This has been a great over sight in my eyes. Not just because it worked on the small scale means wit will work on the big scale, the factors are different.

Also, IMO DN is a bit too old for my liking to start a new generation. We should have looked for a younger coach who (IF successful) can potentially stay for many years an ingrain a winning mentality through the entire club through stability. I cannot see DN providing any long term stability in terms of coaching at his age.

Yup i knew and i was being destructive towards him. And further more i agree with the rest of your post

 

[Buck Fuddy]

I read what he said, and it's based on nothing. Ferrara would have probably used the 4-3-1-2 anyway as that is his preferred formation after learning from Lippi.

He is indirectly blaming Diego for the season based on his utopian view of the straight 4-4-2.

The way I read it, he's mostly blaming the staff & the management. Since they were the ones who made the decision to rely on Diego. Doesn't matter that much anyway.

 

[Luca]

But we are JUVENTUS FFS!!!! No one can push us around, who are they to offer more money than JUVENTUS!!!!

I love this WE ARE JUVENTUS mentality that plagues the forums. As if Wolfsburg are some newly promoted poor team. They have more money to spend than we do probably yet the naive posters here seem to think our name gives us leverage on the market.

I think your point is well demonstrated by the person who took your joke about us choosing players a bit too seriously

 

[Bjerknes]

The way I read it, he's mostly blaming the staff & the management. Since they were the ones who made the decision to rely on Diego. Doesn't matter that much anyway.

So what do you think? Was it the system that gave us what is interpreted as success before Ferrara came along, or was it a matter of having better players, a more fit Del Piero, and better managers?