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Mike-e-y

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Jul 18, 2004
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people want more creativity in our team but dont want to sacrifice a DM for that... :disagree: we cant have the best of both worlds guys.

And yes we can play with one DM, the only difference is that the DM (sissoko) would have to SIT infront of the back 4 and not attack at all - which would not be a problem for him at all. At the moment the two DM's do get forward but they also track back, they are about 30% effective in the final third and 70% effective in the middle - why not just put one guy Sitting being 100% effective, and a dangerman sitting in the final 3rd creating being 100% effective, should we be hit on the counter momo would be there to delay the effect and the wingers (and the forwards) would need to track back. All they need to do is be bodies and limit opposition options if tackling isnt their forte.

Yes this would use energy and tire camo and nedved out, but then we would just need to use something called sbstitutions, not in the 81st minute but in the 70th minute.
 

vimo

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Apr 1, 2006
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people want more creativity in our team but dont want to sacrifice a DM for that... :disagree: we cant have the best of both worlds guys.

And yes we can play with one DM, the only difference is that the DM (sissoko) would have to SIT infront of the back 4 and not attack at all - which would not be a problem for him at all. At the moment the two DM's do get forward but they also track back, they are about 30% effective in the final third and 70% effective in the middle - why not just put one guy Sitting being 100% effective, and a dangerman sitting in the final 3rd creating being 100% effective, should we be hit on the counter momo would be there to delay the effect and the wingers (and the forwards) would need to track back. All they need to do is be bodies and limit opposition options if tackling isnt their forte.

Yes this would use energy and tire camo and nedved out, but then we would just need to use something called sbstitutions, not in the 81st minute but in the 70th minute.
honestly, i prefer sissoko putting pressure on the opponent while he builds up play rather than him waiting for someone to get into his way. Sissoko is fabulous at tackling and runs like a madman, why would anyone want to not profit from this. I mean, it might work with diego up front, but the fact that we're winning lately (against teams like real) should be more than enough to prove that what we're doing is working.
Of course we could play one DM, but then we'll be stuck eternally to a 4-4-2 diamond, and what are we going to do with poulsen then? He could be benched if it were me to decide, but still, i don't think he was brought in as a backup to sissoko. And in a 4-4-2 diamond, we'll hardly see camo and nedved cutting into the middle...
I don't see all the need for change everyone is expecting.
Still, i'll give you that Diego is a wonderful player. Rather than trying to 'teach' camo and nedved what to do, why not make diego play more as a CM-regista? That's what i would do. Him playing just in between camo and nedved, with sissoko and poulsen covering his back - a 4-5-1 which is VERY versatile, and allows both fast counterattacks as well as build-ups by midfield-domination.

Let's give them Tiago plus those 10millions we get from the CL-participation :) that would be a deal i could live with :) :)
 

Hust

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May 29, 2005
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people want more creativity in our team but dont want to sacrifice a DM for that... :disagree: we cant have the best of both worlds guys.

And yes we can play with one DM, the only difference is that the DM (sissoko) would have to SIT infront of the back 4 and not attack at all - which would not be a problem for him at all. At the moment the two DM's do get forward but they also track back, they are about 30% effective in the final third and 70% effective in the middle - why not just put one guy Sitting being 100% effective, and a dangerman sitting in the final 3rd creating being 100% effective, should we be hit on the counter momo would be there to delay the effect and the wingers (and the forwards) would need to track back. All they need to do is be bodies and limit opposition options if tackling isnt their forte.

Yes this would use energy and tire camo and nedved out, but then we would just need to use something called sbstitutions, not in the 81st minute but in the 70th minute.
thank you, agree 100%.

honestly, i prefer sissoko putting pressure on the opponent while he builds up play rather than him waiting for someone to get into his way. Sissoko is fabulous at tackling and runs like a madman, why would anyone want to not profit from this. I mean, it might work with diego up front, but the fact that we're winning lately (against teams like real) should be more than enough to prove that what we're doing is working.
Of course we could play one DM, but then we'll be stuck eternally to a 4-4-2 diamond, and what are we going to do with poulsen then? He could be benched if it were me to decide, but still, i don't think he was brought in as a backup to sissoko. And in a 4-4-2 diamond, we'll hardly see camo and nedved cutting into the middle...
I don't see all the need for change everyone is expecting.
Still, i'll give you that Diego is a wonderful player. Rather than trying to 'teach' camo and nedved what to do, why not make diego play more as a CM-regista? That's what i would do. Him playing just in between camo and nedved, with sissoko and poulsen covering his back - a 4-5-1 which is VERY versatile, and allows both fast counterattacks as well as build-ups by midfield-domination.

Let's give them Tiago plus those 10millions we get from the CL-participation :) that would be a deal i could live with :) :)
Nedved/Camo always cut into the middle, which if you want to get technical would be more difficult with 2 DMs crowding the middle, yet they do it all the time. Nedved prefers cutting back into the middle instead of taking it to the line. I dont see how that would be limited with a trequartista? I like your idea of Diego playing more of a CM-regista but would he do well at that? Sissoko can always join in a quick counterattack, but he doesnt really offer much in the attack anyways, he is too clumsy. Lets be honest, Sissoko plays best at crunching players or just killing the play wherever that might be. Like Mike-e-y said, we do have 3 subs and if an injury happens that affects our tactics we change just as we would now. Not to be in total disagreement with you, i like the idea of offloading tiago has a bargaining chip to get him and to use Diego as a CM-regista. But I stand firm, you can teach anyone at any age, ESPECIALLY professionals like Camo and Nedved to track back, it is not as hard as you are making it sound. They are both very intelligent players, besides to support your idea of a CM-regista i actually like that better than a 4312 because it will still offer the creativity that ultimately i am looking for hence making us less predictable.
 

RavaneVialli

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Jan 27, 2008
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And yes we can play with one DM, the only difference is that the DM (sissoko) would have to SIT infront of the back 4 and not attack at all - which would not be a problem for him at all. At the moment the two DM's do get forward but they also track back, they are about 30% effective in the final third and 70% effective in the middle - why not just put one guy Sitting being 100% effective, and a dangerman sitting in the final 3rd creating being 100% effective, should we be hit on the counter momo would be there to delay the effect and the wingers (and the forwards) would need to track back. All they need to do is be bodies and limit opposition options if tackling isnt their forte.
Because we need that double 70% effectiveness (140%) in DM department, not only 100%. So we should look for a reliable CM or deep-lying playmaker rather than trequartista.
 

v1rtu4l

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Mar 4, 2008
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"Juventus wirbt nicht um ihn. Ich habe mit den Verantwortlichen von Juventus gesprochen, sie sind auf uns zugekommen: Es gibt kein Interesse an Juventus Turin! Das sind alte Geschichten, die immer wieder aufgewärmt werden, die natürlich in einer nicht so erfolgreichen Phase auch wunderbar hinein passen. Diego ist bis 2011 unter Vertrag und es gibt keine Ideen bei Werder Bremen, ihn vorzeitig abzugeben!"

-Juve does not show signs that they want him (right now).

-Allofs (Sporting Director of Bremen) spoke to juve directors when they approched bremen and they (juve board) said that juve were not interested.

it is formulated as translated above, but i don't understand why juve approached bremen. surely not to only say that we dont want diego ... were we interessted in another player ? perhaps its from the time we were interessted in thorsten frings ... but that would be a really old story


-that are old stories/rumours that come up everytime bremen down play well.

-diego has a contract untill 2011 and there are no plans from bremen to get rid of him before that date
 

vimo

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Apr 1, 2006
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basically, allofs assures juve would not be interested, but what else should he say. He is never going to admit that in mid-season, with the fans pushing for success- Once Werder are definately out of CL, and if they continue going bad in the bundesliga, then we should be able to knock at their door again. I don't see him coming in january though.
 

v1rtu4l

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Mar 4, 2008
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basically, allofs assures juve would not be interested, but what else should he say. He is never going to admit that in mid-season, with the fans pushing for success- Once Werder are definately out of CL, and if they continue going bad in the bundesliga, then we should be able to knock at their door again. I don't see him coming in january though.
don't you think it would be wiser from allofs to say "yes juve are interested but we wont sell him!" to reassure the fans ?

i dont think it is a lie that juve are not official interested
 

vimo

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Apr 1, 2006
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don't you think it would be wiser from allofs to say "yes juve are interested but we wont sell him!" to reassure the fans ?

i dont think it is a lie that juve are not official interested
well you could be right. otherwise, you know how the media works. Once that little spark of a possibility exists there will ony be chaos; especially in germany, i think the media is quite disrespectful in that regard. I could imagine our board having an agreement of 'quiet negotiations', which would be better for both parties. For us, because we wouldn't be making the xabi alonso mistake again, if we sign someone else afterwards, and for them to keep the fans and the media quiet.
But it's all just speculation. I wouldn't mind him coming next season; he'd not only be a long-term investment, but also a good step-up in our marketing value (more shirts will be sold, better reputation, etc)

by the way i was watching the bundesliga today (mediocre game of diego) and someone in the chat about the game said: "diego sucks today, he has his mind already at juventus"... just a side-note, but still...
 

v1rtu4l

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Mar 4, 2008
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well you could be right. otherwise, you know how the media works. Once that little spark of a possibility exists there will ony be chaos; especially in germany, i think the media is quite disrespectful in that regard. I could imagine our board having an agreement of 'quiet negotiations', which would be better for both parties. For us, because we wouldn't be making the xabi alonso mistake again, if we sign someone else afterwards, and for them to keep the fans and the media quiet.
lets hope it is like you suggest

But it's all just speculation. I wouldn't mind him coming next season; he'd not only be a long-term investment, but also a good step-up in our marketing value (more shirts will be sold, better reputation, etc)
buying diego would be good (even with the problems we would have to find the right formation), but i only would consider that if this does not cut our budget too much so we would have to make comprimises and do not buy the players we really need (for the defense for example).

first priority CB & Full Backs,
second Priority sub to Nedved,
third priority Diego


by the way i was watching the bundesliga today (mediocre game of diego) and someone in the chat about the game said: "diego sucks today, he has his mind already at juventus"... just a side-note, but still...
but you know that the german commentators really have no clue ... i would not wonder if they read goal.com everyday ...
 
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