The problem with NJ is the people that live there, no disrespect to the New Jerseyans on this forum, just stating facts.
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The problem is that if enough/too many people feel the same way, then this is it. Life as you knew it is over & you'll be going from lockdown to lockdown.
If it was up to me, it would be very simple:
- You get vaccinated & still end up getting (very) sick: that obviously sucks & you should get the best possible treatment.
- You refuse to get vaccinated for whatever dumb reason and you get sick: no treatment for you buddy, suck it up. If you get better, great. If you don't, great as well. You can suffocate at home on your couch for all I care, but absolutely no access to the hospital for you.
That way, everyone can really make their own decision without repercussions in their day to day life. No "you are not allowed to do x if you are not vaccinated" bullshit.
But that would mean people have to accept the consequences of their decision. And people in general really aren't good at that. So it'll never happen.
(This obviously does not apply to people who are not able to get the vaccine because of a medical condition, or because there are not enough vaccines, etc)
If it was up to me, it would be very simple:
- You get vaccinated & still end up getting (very) sick: that obviously sucks & you should get the best possible treatment.
- You refuse to get vaccinated for whatever dumb reason and you get sick: no treatment for you buddy, suck it up. If you get better, great. If you don't, great as well. You can suffocate at home on your couch for all I care, but absolutely no access to the hospital for you.
That way, everyone can really make their own decision without repercussions in their day to day life. No "you are not allowed to do x if you are not vaccinated" bullshit.
But that would mean people have to accept the consequences of their decision. And people in general really aren't good at that. So it'll never happen.
(This obviously does not apply to people who are not able to get the vaccine because of a medical condition, or because there are not enough vaccines, etc)
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That's exactly what I said just recently. I'd be perfectly fine with that and I think that's a good solution.
But life as we know it might already be finished since getting vaccines still means restriction, masks, distance, etc. We'll see Israel.
Btw, I also think "get vaccine once per year" is not going to work. If this year 60% of the population took it, I'd bet next year it's going to be much less.
But life as we know it might already be finished since getting vaccines still means restriction, masks, distance, etc. We'll see Israel.
Btw, I also think "get vaccine once per year" is not going to work. If this year 60% of the population took it, I'd bet next year it's going to be much less.
Governments are still advising vaccinated people to distance and wear masks because they're still a minority of the population. It doesn't send a good message to unvaccinated people. It could discourage mask use and distancing at this stage (low vaccination rate), and it would make people uncomfortable being in a closed space with someone seemingly unprotected.
But things will change for sure. Just take a look at the CDC's guidance for fully vaccinated people:
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/fully-vaccinated-guidance.html
They're telling you you can gather with other fully vaccinated folks and unvaccinated people at a low risk for severe Covid indoors without masks.
And if you look at what fully vaccinated people should continue to do:
You can realize that all of those restrictions will disappear once everyone's fully vaccinated.
Right now we are still trying to protect the collective but all of that will change when the collective is no longer at risk. Non vaccinated people will become the minority and they'll have to abide by our rules.
But things will change for sure. Just take a look at the CDC's guidance for fully vaccinated people:
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/fully-vaccinated-guidance.html
They're telling you you can gather with other fully vaccinated folks and unvaccinated people at a low risk for severe Covid indoors without masks.
And if you look at what fully vaccinated people should continue to do:
For now, fully vaccinated people should continue to:
- Take precautions in public like wearing a well-fitted mask and physical distancing
- Wear masks, practice physical distancing, and adhere to other prevention measures when visiting with unvaccinated people who are at increased risk for severe COVID-19 disease or who have an unvaccinated household member who is at increased risk for severe COVID-19 disease
- Wear masks, maintain physical distance, and practice other prevention measures when visiting with unvaccinated people from multiple households
- Avoid medium- and large-sized in-person gatherings
- Get tested if experiencing COVID-19 symptoms Follow guidance issued by individual employers Follow CDC and health department travel requirements and recommendations
You can realize that all of those restrictions will disappear once everyone's fully vaccinated.
Right now we are still trying to protect the collective but all of that will change when the collective is no longer at risk. Non vaccinated people will become the minority and they'll have to abide by our rules.
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You are healthy and want to take your chances and live your life? Callous! You want to kill my granny, stop being selfish, it's not just about you.
You think everyone should get the vaccine and if they don't let them die like dogs if they get sick? Not callous! you paragon of virtue you, you champion of personal responsibility.
Do you think I'm a retard? Because your comparison sure does make it sound so.
But please, do tell me where I could get a vaccine that prevents me from becoming dead sick? A vaccine for all sicknesses, please. That would be very helpful.
"NO, I don't trust/want the vaccine! Medicine & science can suck a fat one. Personal freedom, bitch!!!"
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Gets fairly sick because of COVID.
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"Why is this happening to me? Please, you must do everything to save me, doctor!"
But please, do tell me where I could get a vaccine that prevents me from becoming dead sick? A vaccine for all sicknesses, please. That would be very helpful.
"NO, I don't trust/want the vaccine! Medicine & science can suck a fat one. Personal freedom, bitch!!!"
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Gets fairly sick because of COVID.
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"Why is this happening to me? Please, you must do everything to save me, doctor!"
As interesting as it would be from a social experiment pov, the not vaccinated scenario goes against basic human decency, hippocratic oath and general moral standards in western modern societies (probably most societies), its basically going back to old testament law.
Life as we know it is probably fucked for the foreseeable future, but I think we will be able to find a better balance than right now and in time accept that we as a society need to take more risks with Covid.
Life as we know it is probably fucked for the foreseeable future, but I think we will be able to find a better balance than right now and in time accept that we as a society need to take more risks with Covid.
I think it also goes back to what @swag (I think) has said a few times now, that people are not interested in prevention of anything, especially if it requires a bit of work or discomfort. They only want an easy cure where they won't have to take any action.
