[Coppa Italia] Roma - Juventus (13 Viewers)

- vOnAm -

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well I guessed from the start that we weren't 100% going after the italian cup.Just by lookin at the players he started. I don't think Cap is that dumb and f he REALLY wanted to win the cup he would have fielded 1st team players from the start.

What he did was try to give some of the subs some playing time yet on the second hand still be able to grab the win.
I think we weren't absolutely shit, after all we were playing away and although we must push, we must also remember not to concede.

I know many of you think Capello is crap, but the way I see it, he didn't really want the win in the first place, I mean it wasn't drop dead important that he took a risk by fielding subs.

Zlatan is surely needs to be benched or better yet not included in the club for a few games so that he can go to anger management classes.
 

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    denco said:
    Mr Capello, may i just ask why is it that time and time again you do things like this? Only coppa italia you say? Well it a situation where like the Cl you have to win matches to qualify and if you do not , well you are out, not like the league where you can play for the draw and still make up for that later
    This was a shambles, the whole match was a nonsense.
    Too many questions, whats wrong with playing Dp, Nedved and Mutu in a 3 man attack instead of both Mutu and Nedved on the wings?
    What is the point of playing Vieria and Giannichedda in a game we had to win by 2 goals?
    What was the point in bringing on Emerson for Giannichedda? It didnt matter if we lost 3-0 or we won 1-0 we would still be out , so why not go for broke?
    No, its because its not in your nature to play attacking football, its better to be safe than sorry, is that it?
    Why were Camo and Trez missing? Please do not say we have a game on sunday cos Udinese are hardly a threat. You cannot keep resting forward players and continually play Thuram and Cannavaro as there aint no cover for them.

    Zlatan is having a very bad time of it, he is not in form and thn when he starts , he comes accross a quite inept referee who was just hopeless all night.
    He gave a very harsh penalty and disallowed a quite legit Totti goal cos all Totti did was to outmuscle Balzaretti to head in the ball with Thuram, Cannavaro and Zebina missing in action

    Yes we went out of the cup was it really necessary for Vieria and Thuram to be acting as thugs after the game, i mean Thuram is the captain for christsakes and fyi Thuram, it was Nedved whom accidentally hit you not Perrotta.
    Although Perrotta and Totti were quite disgraceful in their continual playacting all nite.

    Abiatti: nothing to do but still managed some silly things 5.5
    Zebina: was not a good return to former club and of cos he gets injured yet again with noone in sight 5
    Zambrotta: By far the best of the back line 6.5
    Thuram: was better than his previous performances but its worrying that he and cannavaro were completely missing whenever Roma crossed the ball into our box 6
    Cannavaro: ditto
    Balzaretti: his worst performance so far in a juve shirt, even if i think he has been unfairly dropped to make way for Zebina 5
    Vieria: His best performance in a long time as he was fabulous and far and away our best player on the night 7.5
    Giannichedda: Did what he had to do without any fuss 6
    Mutu: the only thing he did well was to score the penalty 5
    Zalayeta : an awful day at the office 4
    Nedved : was not in the game at all 4.5
    Zlatan: well was on for just 20 mins
    Dp: came on and did absolutely nothing of note 5

    Did this game not remind you guys of Liverpool last season, where we just pumped the ball in the air to a small man like Dp? I canmnot understand why we could not play to the strenghts of Dp, Nedved and Mutu by playing it on the ground.
    I mean trying to go to the byline to cross for short men is just stupid
    I agree with most of what you said.thou we could have qualified If Vieira scored that one,and also other chances too,but don't you think we played offensive enough Denco,I mean Roma was coming very dangerous,we escaped without recieving a goal by chance.

    puting DP on the bench for Zalayeta was his biggest ever mistake,as for Zlatan,I think the red card was very harsh.as for the ratings,I don't agree with you on the Mutu and Balzaretti's part only Denco.I think Balzaretti deserved a 6.5 and Mutu also were doing nice stuff 6.5 again at least.If Trezeguet was there,I am sure he would assist him at least once.
     

    ZAF3000

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    snoop said:
    puting DP on the bench for Zalayeta was his biggest ever mistake,as for Zlatan,I think the red card was very harsh.as for the ratings,I don't agree with you on the Mutu and Balzaretti's part only Denco.I think Balzaretti deserved a 6.5 and Mutu also were doing nice stuff 6.5 again at least.If Trezeguet was there,I am sure he would assist him at least once.
    The problem is that he wasn't really after the coppa. Del Piero has played alot during the past 3 weeks. I am with benching him, but I am not with how he delt with the game.
     
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    ZAF3000 said:
    The problem is that he wasn't really after the coppa. Del Piero has played alot during the past 3 weeks. I am with benching him, but I am not with how he delt with the game.
    that true,if he took them seriously,he could finish it in the first leg,against a roma without montella and totti.

    but why not to start with DP?Dp is not tired for playing 3 full time matches,he was benched and rested the whole season.I think DP physically and moraly is more ready than Zlatan or Trezeguet.so Capello wasn't lying when he said few weeks ago that DP is an important player for the later stages (after winter brake).
     

    ZAF3000

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    The thing is that Zlatan is going through a terrible phase. In Capello's shoes I won't be relying on him on either CL or serie A. I would rely more on DP and David. If thats how Capello is thinking, this means that Del Piero will be playing much more in the following weeks, so no need for extra tiredness.
    Fielding Zlatan and Zalayata was not bad at all. The problem was Zlatan. Zalayata was left alone upfront, he was islolated. Capello did not find away to make him communicate with other members by fielding an assistant striker WITH him. Instead he replaced him. Del Piero then got isolated. Afterwards he started to play as a midfielder so he can get a hold on a ball.
     

    Rainforest Liu

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    Apr 26, 2004
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    1-0 is not enough

    In spite of the 1-0 victory at the Olimpico, with a penalty converted by Mutu, Capello’s side cannot qualify for Coppa Italia semi-finals, while Roma do thanks to last week’s 3-2 victory at the Delle Alpi.

    It’s a very tense match. Roma attack after about fifteen minutes into the first half, first with Totti who puts the ball in but the goal is null due to a foul on Balzaretti (13’) and later with Cufré, whose shot is saved by Abbiati. The goalkeeper is engaged in a more difficult save on 17’ minutes: on a free kick, Dacourt passes to Totti and the Bianconeri goalkeeper clears the Giallorossi captain’s attempt for a corner. On 18’ minutes, referee Dondarini warns Nedved for a foul on Totti. That triggers off some fuss on the pitch and causes Ibrahimovic and Dacourt to be sent off. With 10 players for both sides, the pace is still high and two more yellow cards are given, to Vieira and Perrotta. After 27 minutes, Taddei serves for De Rossi on the right but his header ends out. Juventus build up in the final minutes of the first half. On 40’ minutes, Mutu’s free kick is out. On 44’ minutes, Zebina gets injured and makes way for Zambrotta. The best occasion for Capello’s side takes place one minute later: following Mutu’s free kick, Zalayeta deflects a header but the goalkeeper sends it high over the crossbar. During the injury time, a great Mutu’s kick is saved by Curci.

    After ending the first half in a crescendo, Juventus get back on the pitch determined to win the game and get dangerous after the first minute when Zalayeta gets past two opponents up front but he’s anticipated in the corner. On 3’ minutes, Capello’s side takes the lead thanks to a penalty converted by Mutu and decided by the referee after Perrotta’s handling (0-1). Meanwhile, the Bianconeri coach makes use of the two substitutions still at disposal: Del Piero replaces Zalayeta and Emerson takes the place of Giannichedda. On 23’ minutes, Mutu passes the ball to Zambrotta in the box but the latter’s attempt on goal is cleared for a corner by a defender. Perrotta replies on 26’ minutes with a finish ending out while on 30’ it’s Totti’s turn, Abbiati saves. A great occasion for the Bianconeri occurs on 34’ minutes when Vieira hits the post with a powerful shot from a short range. In the final minutes, Juventus are up front in search of the goal that would allow them to pass to next round. Viera’s final attempt from outside the penalty area ends high over the bar.

    ROMA-JUVENTUS 0-1
    GOALS: 3’sh Mutu (pen.)
    ROMA: Curci, Panucci, Mexes, Chivu, Cufré, De Rossi, Dacourt, Taddei (29’sh Tommasi), Perrotta, Mancini, Totti. Coach: Spalletti. Substitutes: Doni, Bovo, Alvarez, Rosi, Greco, Okaka.
    JUVENTUS: Abbiati, Zebina (44’fh Zambrotta), Thuram, Cannavaro, Balzaretti, Nedved, Giannichedda (15’sh Emerson), Vieira, Mutu, Zalayeta (8’sh Del Piero), Ibrahimovic. Coach: Capello. Substitutes: Buffon, Pessotto, Blasi, Olivera.
    REFEREE: Dondarini
    YELLOW CARDS: 18’fh Nedved, 29’fh Vieira, 39’fh Perrotta, 4’ sh Thuram, 19’sh Taddei, 43’sh Cannavaro
    SENT OFF: 18’fh Ibrahimovic, 18’fh Dacourt
     

    Rainforest Liu

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    Capello: “We were unlucky with the post hit by Vieira”

    This is Fabio Capello’s comment on the Coppa Italia match: “We’ve played a good match tonight but we had bad luck with the post hit by Vieira. We had to control the game and we did that. Congratulations to Roma, anyway we came here to get our chance to win”.
     

    ZhiXin

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    Rainforest Liu said:
    Capello: “We were unlucky with the post hit by Vieira”

    This is Fabio Capello’s comment on the Coppa Italia match: “We’ve played a good match tonight but we had bad luck with the post hit by Vieira. We had to control the game and we did that. Congratulations to Roma, anyway we came here to get our chance to win”.
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    Fight Club

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    Dec 14, 2005
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    ..so we are out. well i never fancied the coppa but there are two things about it. one it would be nice to get the silverstar, the second one being that i hate fucking roma. as much i like totti's skills as a footballplayer as much i hate him as a person.
    cap should have closed it in the first game by fielding our best players, i mean they were without totti and montella. yeasterdays game imo cap did the right thing by putting emo in. i know some of you disagree with emo instead of giani. but i felt that de rossi had better control of the midfield than vieira and giani so it was necessary with emo. would have been better though had he taken balza out and moved giani down to play a 3 man defence.
    sad to see nedved not playing as he used to, time to get robben,moggi!
    and zala...hardworking but too rarely does he come through, i don't know perhaps replace him with berbatov this summer, he'll come in cheap.
    asking me at seasonstart i would also have said play the best players in the league and cl and rest some of them while playing coppa. i could live with not winning the coppa but not when it meant losing to roma....
     

    Esteban

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    I wanted to jump through the screen and cut Perrotta's throat off, watching that totally nontalented wooden legged nobody acting more of a clown than Totti himself, who was also a bastard no surprise. Those two plus Vieira, Thuram and Nedved deserved to be sent off way more than Ibrahimovic and Dacourt.

    Why are people always adding "he's a great player though..." when they speak of Totti? He falls in to the same category as Beckham. Belowe world class, but mentioned among the top players because of his looks.
     

    Muha

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    Abbiati- 6.5 ...made some great saves for Juve... He denied Totti from scoring the best goal of the season.

    Cannavaro- 6 he stopped Totti many times... but he lacked a bit of pace in the counter attack.

    Thuram- 6 wasn't his best match.

    Zebina- 5.5 he could've done better.....it seemed that Capello made it clear that his job was to cover Mancini. Got injured "again"

    Balzaretti- 6.5 as far as i'm concerned, he was the most energetic player on the pitch, his runs back and forth were creating lots of problems for Roma, even though he didn't creat much out of 'em. When he was switched to the right he disappeared.

    (Sub) Zambrotta- 6.5 as soon as he came in, the right flank was in motion again. When he was switched to the left he created he created some problems as well.

    Viera- 6.5 He played more as a play-maker... when Dacourt was sent off he found himself a bit more space to creat chances. He was unlucky when his long range shot his the post.

    Giannichedda- 5.5 He marked Taddie for most of the time, he wasn't much of a help to Viera... He wasn't efective in defence nor in attack.

    (Sub) Emerson- 6 Didn't do much, but he gave a bit of freedom to Viera to attack.

    Mutu- 6 He scored the only goal, and he was good on both flanks, however he didn't create many chances like it was expected from him.

    Nedved- 5.5 didn't do anything at all.

    Zalayeta- 5.5 Hardly done anything, he didn't get any useful passes excpet the one from Mutu.

    Ibrahimovic- 5.0 His temper is iritating, he got a red card for something that was non of his buisness. Neddy unleashed his anger on Totti again, why did Irahimovic 1- kick Totti's face with the ball. 2- start a fight with Dacourt ???!!!! this guy needs councling.

    Del Piero- 5.5 He was isolated, Nedved didn't creat much for him, and Mutu wasn't helping him when the team attacked.

    Capello- 5.0 it didn't go ur way this time, pal.
     

    Juve_Kosova

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    FUck this match.. its nothing.. what really pisses me of is members in this forum attacking Zlatan.. FINALLY he acted like a proff by not hitting back Dacourt (even if i wished that he did) and he got red.. for what? he dident kick the ball AFTER totti, it was a touch on the ball and it went on totti.. NO matter what u ZLATAN haters out there say, he dident deserve a fucking RED CARD!!!

    now about the match, i feel bad for vieira who hed a hell of a chance to score!
    and also it was more of a fighting for the ball match then a regular football match´.. some of the roma players are so fucked uP! not only totti, but also perrota, dacourt, etc.........

    anyway, its cup italia and its nothing for a club like Juve.. we did win the match and that was with a starting eleven with players like zebina, zala, gianni ect....

    next game, the attack should be Del Piero - Trez... zlatan needs to get back to his good days by showing it in the traning... Capello knows how to get a player on form.. JUST look at Del Piero !

    Forza Juventus !!!!
     

    Maresca

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    Rainforest Liu said:
    Capello: “We were unlucky with the post hit by Vieira”

    This is Fabio Capello’s comment on the Coppa Italia match: “We’ve played a good match tonight but we had bad luck with the post hit by Vieira. We had to control the game and we did that. Congratulations to Roma, anyway we came here to get our chance to win”.
    The Server of Rainforest was down since Christmas. now he is back. our Script will tell us about all important juve news, at least 2 days before they happen:D
     

    Gino Genesio

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    juve_kosova :tup:

    :agree:

    Glad that there are still "Juventus fans who support Zlatan and dont forget what he has done for us in only 1year"!

    must i defend every Juve player?

    at the beginning of the season it was Trezeguet and everybody wanted him out than a couple of monts ago i had to Defend Delpiero and now Zlatan???

    Cant we just Support The team ???
    if i was Zlatan i would Break dacourt nek after the game for overreacting like that crybaby dacourt wanted to be thug and protect queen Totti ppfff

    cant believe this i liked totti so much in euro2000 and ok i will support him in Worldcup2006 but i cant stand his carracter
     

    THE CHAMPIONS

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    Gino Genesio said:
    juve_kosova :tup:

    :agree:

    Glad that there are still "Juventus fans who support Zlatan and dont forget what he has done for us in only 1year"!

    must i defend every Juve player?

    at the beginning of the season it was Trezeguet and everybody wanted him out than a couple of monts ago i had to Defend Delpiero and now Zlatan???

    Cant we just Support The team ???
    if i was Zlatan i would Break dacourt nek after the game for overreacting like that crybaby dacourt wanted to be thug and protect queen Totti ppfff

    cant believe this i liked totti so much in euro2000 and ok i will support him in Worldcup2006 but i cant stand his carracter
    dont worry man we all supprt our players but there is some Ubra haters who wait till he do smthing bad & start insulting & cursing him but belirve me they are 3 or 4 members only.. AS for Zlatan I wish he finds his form in the next weak coz The Cl is in 3 weaks & we really need Zlatan talent to overcome Bremen FORZA JUVE
     

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