[CL] Tottenham Hotspur 1-2 JUVENTUS [March 7th 2018] (8 Viewers)

VOTE CAZZO

  • Buffon

  • Barzagli

  • Benatia

  • Chiellini

  • Alex Sandro

  • Lichtsteiner

  • Asamoah

  • Sturaro

  • Khedira

  • Matuidi

  • Pjanic

  • Douglas Costa

  • Dybala

  • Higuain


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soccerr9

Junior Member
Oct 5, 2015
51
I don't mind Licht starting, he's certainly a much more attacking option than Barzagli and will help us play the ball better than we did in Turin, we need to score goals here. Yeah, he will give them an opportunity or two to score, but Turin showed that we can't contain them anyways, I wouldn't like us trying to play for 1:0. Lets aim to score at least two and hope for the best.
Juve struggled badly when playing out of the back against Tottenham. Licht won't help with that issue since he is technically limited.

Although it appears like a defensive move, starting Rugani or Barzagli as a RCB instead of Licht would improve Juve's build up. More possession would mean more attacking players on the ball. Costa and Sandro cam provide plenty of width. Licht isn't needed in that sense. Plus Rugani is much more of a goal threat on set pieces compared to Licht.

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Tottenham are very lucky to have faced a Juve missing Dybala, Matuidi, Cuadrado, and Barzagli in the first leg and now Higuain and Berna in the second. Juve need to catch a break.
 

pitbull

Senior Member
Jul 26, 2007
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Juve struggled badly when playing out of the back against Tottenham. Licht won't help with that issue since he is technically limited.

Although it appears like a defensive move, starting Rugani or Barzagli as a RCB instead of Licht would improve Juve's build up. More possession would mean more attacking players on the ball. Costa and Sandro cam provide plenty of width. Licht isn't needed in that sense. Plus Rugani is much more of a goal threat on set pieces compared to Licht.

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Tottenham are very lucky to have faced a Juve missing Dybala, Matuidi, Cuadrado, and Barzagli in the first leg and now Higuain and Berna in the second. Juve need to catch a break.
He might be technically limited, but he knows how to move as a RB, how to stretch the play and provide linkup for our midfield/attackers. De Sciglio is not very good at it and Barzagli doesn't even attempt to do it.
 

soccerr9

Junior Member
Oct 5, 2015
51
He might be technically limited, but he knows how to move as a RB, how to stretch the play and provide linkup for our midfield/attackers. De Sciglio is not very good at it and Barzagli doesn't even attempt to do it.
Rugani is far far better at linking the defense to attack. His pass accuracy is great compared to Licht.

Yes Licht provides width, yet that is the space Costa operates best in.

Plus, with three CBs there is at least some chance that Juve could win this 1-0. Asking this injury ridden attack to score twice might be too much.
 

pitbull

Senior Member
Jul 26, 2007
11,045
Rugani is far far better at linking the defense to attack. His pass accuracy is great compared to Licht.

Yes Licht provides width, yet that is the space Costa operates best in.

Plus, with three CBs there is at least some chance that Juve could win this 1-0. Asking this injury ridden attack to score twice might be too much.
So you're suggesting 352 with Costa/Sandro on the wings? uhhh..
 

soccerr9

Junior Member
Oct 5, 2015
51
He might be technically limited, but he knows how to move as a RB, how to stretch the play and provide linkup for our midfield/attackers. De Sciglio is not very good at it and Barzagli doesn't even attempt to do it.
All our RBs are $#@!-tier. At least Licht provides some cheeky moments and gets on the nerve of everybody.
He was awful vs Lazio. Switching him out and putting Costa in at RWB changed the game.

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He might be technically limited, but he knows how to move as a RB, how to stretch the play and provide linkup for our midfield/attackers. De Sciglio is not very good at it and Barzagli doesn't even attempt to do it.
Rugani is a CB. It's like fielding Higuain as a CM and expecting the same goal return, doesn't work like that. ;)
The difference is that Rugani can make a pass between the lines. He is better in the build up. If Juve can't beat Tottenham's press, they will only get 30% possession. Licht won't help in that regard.
 

pitbull

Senior Member
Jul 26, 2007
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The difference is that Rugani can make a pass between the lines. He is better in the build up. If Juve can't beat Tottenham's press, they will only get 30% possession. Licht won't help in that regard.
I agree with the bolded very much. I disagree with Licht not being able to help, I think Barza/Rugani at RB will not be able to help. If it's 352, it's a different story.
 

soccerr9

Junior Member
Oct 5, 2015
51
He might be technically limited, but he knows how to move as a RB, how to stretch the play and provide linkup for our midfield/attackers. De Sciglio is not very good at it and Barzagli doesn't even attempt to do it.
So you're suggesting 352 with Costa/Sandro on the wings? uhhh..
Guardiola used this tactic against Spurs. Using two attack minded wingers/wingbacks in a 3-3-4/3-5-2 is vastly different than using two defensive wingbacks. Mind you Guardiola uses wingers (Sane, Sterling) in his 3-3-4/3-5-2. He did this with Costa while at Bayern.

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He might be technically limited, but he knows how to move as a RB, how to stretch the play and provide linkup for our midfield/attackers. De Sciglio is not very good at it and Barzagli doesn't even attempt to do it.
I agree with the bolded very much. I disagree with Licht not being able to help, I think Barza/Rugani at RB will not be able to help. If it's 352, it's a different story.
It's a question of personnel more than formation. Costa is perfectly suited to provide attack out wide. He forces defenders to double cover him on the flank which opened up space centrally for Dybala. So yes it turns into a 3-5-2 when in possession and a 4-4-2/4-5-1 when defending. Obviously we don't want Rugani/Barza making runs down the flanks, but this isn't necessary with Costa.
 

pitbull

Senior Member
Jul 26, 2007
11,045
Guardiola used this tactic against Spurs. Using two attack minded wingers/wingbacks in a 3-3-4/3-5-2 is vastly different than using two defensive wingbacks. Mind you Guardiola uses wingers (Sane, Sterling) in his 3-3-4/3-5-2. He did this with Costa while at Bayern.
yeah, but what we have in the middle differs a lot to what Guardiola had in the middle, that's the problem, our middle can't control possession like that. The way I imagine it'd go is we'd still give up a lot of possession and wouldn't create much. We'd bypass middle of the pitch completely with Costa bombing down that right flank solo with Khedira offering no support, left flank would be hustle paradise with Matuidi, Sandro and Mandžukič toughening up their opponents and Dybala would loose the ball endlessly. I dunno, maybe I'm wrong, but I don't see this working out
 

Fr3sh

Senior Member
Jul 12, 2011
37,255
Sturaro will be instrumental in this tie, I can feel it. Brace yourselves, there will be abundance of offers coming for our boy after this game.
 

Xperd

Allegrophobic Infidel
Jun 1, 2012
35,099
Our build up from the back was way better than you usually see when Rugani played against Lazio. It was pretty evident actually. Not expecting him to start however but in games like these , we need as many technical players as we can and players like Lichtsteiner, Khedira and Mandzukic are exactly the complete opposite of that. We are once again going to play on the counter so players like Mandzukic who is slow and out of form don't help the cause. He needs to be benched and we need to go all out with Costa-Dybala-Sandro front three with Asa starting as a LB. Asa is in good form and needs to be rewarded with a start over players like Mandzukic who doesn't deserve to start for Juventus at this point.
 

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