[CL] JUVENTUS 2-2 Bayern [23rd February, 2016] (30 Viewers)

[bastos80]

Boateng is a better defending version of David Luiz.

Ie: not really a good defender but "ball-playing" skills. One long ball forward and you forget he often looks out of position. I mean, he has to make so many tackles because he's so often caught out of position and has to scramble back to make the tackle.

If I wasn't a guest you'd be getting my fully honest opinion about this.
I think winning 75% of your tackles contradicts with being a bad defender.

athletic. that's all.

bonucci puts boateng in his back pocket technically. add the lack of brain that leads to all the
tackles in the first place, talking about bad positioning.

Just like this. How does winning 3/4 mean lack of brain and bad positioning?
Boateng is barely caught out of position. Quite a remarkable thing considering he's usually up at the half way line due to our system and all our opponents mostly do is play long balls. if one is good enough to go over him he has the speed to catch up with nearly every player.

 

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[Albo]

I hope Chiello is ready

My favourite moment from last season

 

[Fr3sh]

i'd play torn tendon martin over pique.

you drunk?

I wish I was!
Stressing mane, got an essay due less then 8hrs and I have a presentation that goes with it and I aint done

 

[Ocelot]

I would still put Bonucci and also Chiellini up there to i mean as the best probably, but you guys watch all Juves matches, so you know better.

With Chiellini it's difficult. On his day he is simply the best defender around and can singehandedly take the best CFs in the world out of the game for the whole 90 minutes. On the other hand, he fucks up too often as well, for example giving away stupid penalties, or slipping (has happened like 4 times to him last season ).

Fortunately he seems to turn up for most of the really big games, which imo is a large part of the reason neutrals rate him so highly, but most Juve fans comfortably place Bonucci & Barzagli over him.

Juve really has incredible depth in the CB department though, best in the world.

 

[DAiDEViL]

So you're also having your center backs practically playing a 2 man back-line 5 metre behind the middle line? I didn't know that. Sorry then.

i didn't know inviting the opponent to counter attacks is the only way to play offensive football.
sorry then. i fear pep is rubbing off on you.

 

[bastos80]

i didn't know inviting the opponent to counter attacks is the only way to play offensive football.
sorry then. i fear pep is rubbing off on you.

So we're going from rating defenders to rating systems now ?
I'd actually do it if what you're posting wasn't just polemic bullshit.

 

[DAiDEViL]

I wish I was!
Stressing mane, got an essay due less then 8hrs and I have a presentation that goes with it and I aint done

browsing tuz is never wrong. the essay will write itself.

 

[Tanu_Mz]

Juve really has incredible depth in the CB department though, best in the world.

don't tell Inter fans. They think they do.

 

[Fr3sh]

i'd play torn tendon martin over pique.

browsing tuz is never wrong. the essay will write itself.

i send to you, you make for me?
is essay on french play

 

[gg89]

Boateng is a better defending version of David Luiz.

Ie: not really a good defender but "ball-playing" skills. One long ball forward and you forget he often looks out of position. I mean, he has to make so many tackles because he's so often caught out of position and has to scramble back to make the tackle.

Boateng is not bad in positioning, you are confusing two different things: the players abilities and the system requirements. Under Pep, a CD *HAS* to play beyond the halfway line for the pressing to work (the team must remain compact, no space between CDs and MFs is allowed) and thus is vulnerable to longballs. This is system thing, not defensive indiscipline like David Luis (who often goes wandering into the opposition box and never returns; Boateng rarely is not the last man before Neuer which doesn't mean he's not standing at the halfway line).

This diferent system - diferent requirements issue is something I always see Juventus fans fail to understand. Hope I shed some light on it. In my view, Defender is by far the most difficult position under a Pep system. CBs are ussually alone, un protected (no real DMF before them) and way up in the field.

 

[DAiDEViL]

So we're going from rating defenders to rating systems now ?
I'd actually do it if what you're posting wasn't just polemic bullshit.

head over to your transfermarkt forum and tell em about the deluded folks on tuz.
feel free to quote me - for the lol's you know.

 

[Vialli_92]

As a defender Boateng does not come close to Barzagli. As a player and technical ability he is miles ahead of Barzagli.

Boateng does not have the characteristics of a centre back and Barzagli does.

Boateng may be a better player but not a better defender as there is no defender who can anticipate and read the game as well as Barzagli does.

Pique as a top 5 defender means u clearly don't know what the art of defending is.

He may have had a good year last season but he is just another defender who doesn't read the game very well and will get caught out of position time and time and gain.

 

[bastos80]

head over to your transfermarkt forum and tell em about the deluded folks on tuz.
feel free to quote me - for the lol's you know.

Actually, if you're playing as attacking as we do and our system is that bad, inviting to so many counter attacks, doesn't that make it even more remarkable we're conceding less than you?

As a defender Boateng does not come close to Barzagli. As a player and technical ability he is miles ahead of Barzagli.

Boateng does not have the characteristics of a centre back and Barzagli does.

Boateng may be a better player but not a better defender as there is no defender who can anticipate and read the game as well as Barzagli does.

Pique as a top 5 defender means u clearly don't know what the art of defending is.

He may have had a good year last season but he is just another defender who doesn't read the game very well and will get caught out of position time and time and gain.

I guess we simply understand "defender" differently. For me, it's just a position and Pique has the better total package then Barzagli. So do Boateng and Bonucci.

 

[DAiDEViL]

i send to you, you make for me?
is essay on french play

in french?
not a native speaker. will write in german and google translate it.

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Actually, if you're playing as attacking as we do and our system is that bad, inviting to so many counter attacks, doesn't that make it even more remarkable we're conceding less than you?

having no opponent in your league helps a big deal me thinks
it only works until you play barca and real - then you'll get a hand full. again.

 

[Knowah]

If I wasn't a guest you'd be getting my fully honest opinion about this.
I think winning 75% of your tackles contradicts with being a bad defender.

Because defending equals tackle percentage?

His tackle percentage is so high because he's caught out of position so often, has to chase down his opponent (he's very physically gifted, no doubt) and then make the tackle. And that comes from somebody who's watched every Bayern match bar 5-7 since '07. Boateng's tackle percentage is not completely indicative of his skills at defending. Tackle success rate isn't a strong indicator for a defender's skills anywhere lol

 

[Fr3sh]

in french?
not a native speaker. will write in german and google translate it.

play is called rhinoceros, first adaptation was made in german and played in germany
bunch of ppl turn into rhino except the drunk
rhino=nazi
make essay on comparing movie (murican)
and play (french)
and allusion to their political messages

shouldve started a week ago

 

[DAiDEViL]

As a defender Boateng does not come close to Barzagli. As a player and technical ability he is miles ahead of Barzagli.

Boateng does not have the characteristics of a centre back and Barzagli does.

Boateng may be a better player but not a better defender as there is no defender who can anticipate and read the game as well as Barzagli does.

Pique as a top 5 defender means u clearly don't know what the art of defending is.

He may have had a good year last season but he is just another defender who doesn't read the game very well and will get caught out of position time and time and gain.

we are so old school...thinking defenders should be good at defending

 

[Vialli_92]

we are so old school...thinking defenders should be good at defending

Ye it's like it's more important to be a midfielder playing as a defender these days.

 

[bastos80]

Because defending equals tackle percentage?

His tackle percentage is so high because he's caught out of position so often, has to chase down his opponent (he's very physically gifted, no doubt) and then make the tackle. And that comes from somebody who's watched every Bayern match bar 5-7 since '07. Boateng's tackle percentage is not completely indicative of his skills at defending. Tackle success rate isn't a strong indicator for a defender's skills anywhere lol

I can tell you're not just by reading your posts
If it wasn't for Boateng our defensive record would look much worse.

 

[Ronn]

Actually, if you're playing as attacking as we do and our system is that bad, inviting to so many counter attacks, doesn't that make it even more remarkable we're conceding less than you?

The gap between you and the others in that league is so huge that there's no point comparing the stats.