[CL] JUVENTUS 0-0 Atlético Madrid (December 9th 2014) (22 Viewers)

DUKAC

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Feb 29, 2012
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Goal.com is always harsh on us. They kill us in player ratings and weekly articles. Only Carlo Garganese sometimes supported us but we certainly dont receive the same treatment that our rivals do and even more certainly the treatment that City, Liverpool, Dortmund and the likes get. Why? Bad PR department. Proper relations with the press would have our ratings exaggerated, our talents overhyped for better prices, our successes emphasized and our shortcomings de-emphasized. PR is as important if not more than advertising. If you cant have good relations with powerful members of the press your potential as a brand will always be suppressed.
As far as I remember Goal.com was forbidden on Tuz.They are english site and they always promote EPL clubs.Also they are some kind of a yellow paper site almost always dealing with nonsense speculations.
 

Hist

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Jan 18, 2009
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"We cannot compete with the big teams in Europe - we have no money - we're financially unable to compete"

That's what destroyed our mentality after the Bayern demolition job.
I think the bayern demolition job is what destroyed the mentality. Conte just stated the obvious there and I think all of our management echoed the same sentiment. We were completely outplayed and not because we had a bad day. They were just far too good for everyone and stating some reasons behind such superiority is humility. I am glad Conte didnt blame refs or any other Benitez like excuse.

Conte is to blame for the nervousness of the squad that followed. The team needed a strong reaction on their next visit to Europe but that never happened until today. Bare in mind that we are not a squad without players of Character. Buffon and Pirlo are vastly experienced winners while Vidal was one hell of a fighter in Europe especially pre-Bayern. Barzagli, Marchisio and Chiellini are experienced too and went all the way in the Euros. We are not Arsenal, Liverpool or Roma to have very few mentally tough players. We should have broken that barrier. The closest we ever got to breaking that fear was against Real Madrid because we played very convincingly and deserved to win. However, Cacares'(under Conte commands) back pass to Ronaldo and other brain farts ruined all the good work.

Under Conte, we performed very well against Galata in Turin and against madrid home and away. Under Allegri, we performed very well against Olympiakos (in terms of performances not results). The problem is that we always wasted all the good work out of wastefulness in attack (that we would never see in Serie A) and nervousness in defense. Our problem is not of quality or of tactics its of character. Sometimes a change of tactics however gives the necessary shake up that might release the players' mentality a little bit. To get out of this, I think we need a madrid-like performance only for the opposition team to break down under pressure or to fail to capitalize on our nervousness. They can keep hitting the bar, have an off day or Buffon can be heroic or something.

I think Barca is the top team scalp we can go for. They have nervousness at the back too and a shit coach. If we have a great performance like that against madrid against them and yet manage to get away with a win we will begin to reach our full potential.

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IN the firsy Oly game, we were still with the $#@!ty mentality and tactics from last season.

Atletico can beat Porto and Monaco if they want.
We still have a poor mentality. We always look like we are about to piss ourselves. We almost wasted all the good work against OLY when we won. We never get results that our performances deserve because of this poor mentality.

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As far as I remember Goal.com was forbidden on Tuz.They are english site and they always promote EPL clubs.Also they are some kind of a yellow paper site almost always dealing with nonsense speculations.
Like it or not on the international scene, Goal is very relevant and one of the top footballing sites in the world if not the top in terms of traffic. Tuz is irrelevant.
Sites like Goal have a huge influence on public opinion.

They support EPL clubs because the English clubs know how to market themselves and knows how to have good relations with the press to generate good publicity. Italian clubs are ancient in that regard and can only have connections with local Italian papers that no one reads outside of Italy.

I am not asking for us to be like EPL clubs or the two spanish giants in the media thats too far fetched. But atleast be like Bayern or Dortmund.
 

zizinho

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Apr 14, 2013
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UEFA probably wants 3-4 BIG games in the 1/8 final. thats the reason why they split the games to 2 games a week. there are more interesting games to broadcast and you can watch all of them live. since we are one of the big teams in the 2nd pot there is a high chance that we end up getting a big opponent IMO
 

DeviAngel

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Oct 3, 2014
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Like it or not on the international scene, Goal is very relevant and one of the top footballing sites in the world if not the top in terms of traffic. Tuz is irrelevant.
Sites like Goal have a huge influence on public opinion.

They support EPL clubs because the English clubs know how to market themselves and knows how to have good relations with the press to generate good publicity. Italian clubs are ancient in that regard and can only have connections with local Italian papers that no one reads outside of Italy.

I am not asking for us to be like EPL clubs or the two spanish giants in the media thats too far fetched. But atleast be like Bayern or Dortmund.
As a person who worked for Goal.com I can tell you that Goal.com wasn't always focused on EPL, they started being focused in the last 2-3 years after the new owner got them. When we used to work for them as moderators on their forums I had constant communication with one of the administrators and managers. IT was very simple they were absorbing all the news from all the papers and post them on goal.com like 2 news in one post. I remember I used to post all Juve news in the Juve section and often I would see them re-posted on the site after few minutes. Goal.com like any sites works for clicks and gets a lot of money from commercials.
 
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    we played a very good game, kept at them and pushed them very deep but credit to Atletico, very organised and solid team.

    Tevez was a bit disappointing I guess, needed more from him in a tight match.

    am sure we could have won the game if we had gone full tilt in the last 15 mins as well.
    Where the hell have you been?
     

    Lion

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    Jan 24, 2007
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    it doesn't even need to be top players if it an unrealistic situation, youngsters the like of morata and coman still acceptable, I find it hard to believe can't find even a single young and talented AM or winger...

    the longer we stay depending on pirlo the longer we suck in europe because it make the team too static and predictable when attacking and also a liability when it come to defending.
    it's not that i dont agree. but we need some perspective here. it was clear that allegri was planning on sticking with 3-5-2 in the begning of season, which is why you didnt see any winger or AM signings. coman and pereyra were brought in because of their flexibility.

    now that we have switched formation the shortcomings are ovious, but while we could play coman there. it's not going to fix the problems because he is 18 and is going to be very inconsistent. it's unlikely we will fix the probelm until summer, when we can assess what options are realistic.
     

    zizinho

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    As a person who worked for Goal.com I can tell you that Goal.com wasn't always focused on EPL, they started being focused in the last 2-3 years after the new owner got them. When we used to work for them as moderators on their forums I had constant communication with one of the administrators and managers. IT was very simple they were absorbing all the news from all the papers and post them on goal.com like 2 news in one post. I remember I used to post all Juve news in the Juve section and often I would see them re-posted on the site after few minutes. Goal.com like any sites works for clicks and gets a lot of money from commercials.
    you worked for Goal? can you tell us, as an insider, why they suck so much?
     

    DeviAngel

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    Oct 3, 2014
    3,688
    you worked for Goal? can you tell us, as an insider, why they suck so much?
    Because the site is business, commercial, clicks, visits bring a lot of money. They publish ALL RUMORS and sometimes even take some from the forums :lol: they used to do that from my news in Juve section. Plus they got writers who are fans first than reporters.They are focused towards Asia now and I believe the new owner is from India, you know Asia is conquered from EPL clubs. They use Sunday Mirror, Tuttosport, GdS etc. and when sometimes they add some 'made up' news. Plus their reporters are so biased that it's unthinkable. Carlo Retardanese (as I call him) he is insane, he is a Stoke fan and he literally hates Juve just notice his news and 'expert' reports and discussions we even had a small 'discussion' on twitter. He is something like Susy Campanale is in football-italia.net she is a Milan fan, hardcore one but she is polite and has time for other opinion while Carlo is always 'right'.
     

    Stu

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    Jul 14, 2002
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    UEFA probably wants 3-4 BIG games in the 1/8 final. thats the reason why they split the games to 2 games a week. there are more interesting games to broadcast and you can watch all of them live. since we are one of the big teams in the 2nd pot there is a high chance that we end up getting a big opponent IMO
    Confirmation that the draw is 100% fixed?

    Tbh we're likely to get a big opponent because 4 out of the 7 group winners are big teams. We would be lucky to pull Monaco, Porto or Dortmund, not unlucky to pull one of the other four. That's what happens when you don't win your group.
     

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