[CL] Champions League 2015/2016 (10 Viewers)

[Hist]

Athletico's game is around setting up deep and narrow and forcing the opponent wide. Wich works excellent against barcelona


Bayern's game is around forcing the opponent to set up deep and narrow, keep the play VERY wide, and try to create 2v1's with the wide player and forward runner or striker. Bayern is literally the worst team for athletico to face.


Madrid on the other hand, has the best player in the world, all the speed in the world and 7 players who can play it over bayern's silly defence. Madrid will eat bayern

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Barcelona didnt get a rightfull crucial penalty. Tide is turning

ATM can adapt to Bayern. They adapted to our game plan and completely neutralized Juve last year. They have neutralized RM countless times and they have neutralized Barca too a few times. The guy is a tactical genius and his players are extremely adaptable. They play completely differently against smaller teams too. ATM can always win big matches no matter the opposition.

 

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[DAiDEViL]

ATM can adapt to Bayern. They adapted to our game plan and completely neutralized Juve last year. They have neutralized RM countless times and they have neutralized Barca too a few times. The guy is a tactical genius and his players are extremely adaptable. They play completely differently against smaller teams too.

they barely made it to adapt to Leverkusen.

 

[Zacheryah]

ATM can adapt to Bayern. They adapted to our game plan and completely neutralized Juve last year. They have neutralized RM countless times and they have neutralized Barca too a few times. The guy is a tactical genius and his players are extremely adaptable. They play completely differently against smaller teams too.

Juve did well against Bayern because we have the players to sit deep athletico style, or block the midfield and immediatly launch counters or keep possession and work it out. Athletico has a world class coach, but dont have the players for that.

Juventus selection is arguably the most tactically versatile in europe at the moment.

 

[Hist]

i give you that, but tactical wise there is no chance he is on the same level as Max.

and would i want someone like him?
no. not at all costs. not if he acts like a monkey on the sidelines.

I think he is clearly better than Max. He did it last season. He has just schooled Barca (who dominated us). He almost always schools Madrid even under Ancellotti. This is using what is clearly the weakest squad.

 

[Zacheryah]

...which is a HUGE achievement off our board and scouting staff, let that be very clear.

 

[Martin]

so boring bayern is still in? what a meh

 

[Cerval]

Athletico's game is around setting up deep and narrow and forcing the opponent wide. Wich works excellent against barcelona


Bayern's game is around forcing the opponent to set up deep and narrow, keep the play VERY wide, and try to create 2v1's with the wide player and forward runner or striker. Bayern is literally the worst team for athletico to face.


Madrid on the other hand, has the best player in the world, all the speed in the world and 7 players who can play it over bayern's silly defence. Madrid will eat bayern

I disagree, and I can't understand your reasoning. Sure, when they defend they sit deep. But in my opinion, it's a myth that all they do is park the bus, they press a lot but there's more to their game. When you say Bayern will force them to play deep, how is that a problem for Atletico? It suits them. Barca are no different than Bayern, they're the same type of team, possession based.

Bayern can stretch the game, that is true, but I see Atletico able to manage that.

 

[Hist]

they barely made it to adapt to Leverkusen.

And Max did to Monaco? or Barca? or even to ATM themselves?

 

[Zacheryah]

I think he is clearly better than Max. He did it last season. He has just schooled Barca (who dominated us). He almost always schools Madrid even under Ancellotti. This is using what is clearly the weakest squad.

Athletico is build to be barcelona's worst nightmare. They play them several times per year.

We had Vidal going sober rage, and the entire team was far to respectfull of them. We grew alot since.

 

[DAiDEViL]

I think he is clearly better than Max. He did it last season. He has just schooled Barca (who dominated us). He almost always schools Madrid even under Ancellotti. This is using what is clearly the weakest squad.

schooled? he is playing the same game over and over again. sit back and :xfinger: for a counter attack, if it doesn't work and their opponent takes the lead: they are done. 1-trick pony.

Max on the other hand is constantly changing tactics depending on who we play, even midgame.

 

[Zacheryah]

I disagree, and I can't understand your reasoning. Sure, when they defend they sit deep. But in my opinion, it's a myth that all they do is park the bus, they press a lot but there's more to their game. When you say Bayern will force them to play deep, how is that a problem for Atletico? It suits them. Barca are no different than Bayern, they're the same type of team, possession based.

Bayern can stretch the game, that is true, but I see Atletico able to manage that.

Barcelona keeps the play wide, but ultimately tries to combine trough the center, or tries to reach players in the box with low/medium crosses. Athletico is excellent at that.

Bayern keeps the play wide and surround the opponent. They dont try to combine trough the center, they try 3 things

1) cross to lewandowski from a difficult spot to defend him
2) cutback cross to one of many midfield runners
3) switch the ball around consistantly, and try to create a 2v1 diagonal situation, which is their main strenght.


Athletico can perfectly manage the first 2, but they'll get defeated on the 3rd. To avoid the 3rd, you need to keep their defence deeper. You can only do that if you block off the center playmaking, secure the wings, and have a shitload of pace from the striker who plays on the back of the defence, and the wingers. That 4-5-1 was absolutely countering bayern to shit.

Athletico has the wide players and forward to do this, but they are inferior to juve counterparts, but they cannot block the central playmaking. They can stop combining trough the center at their box, but bayern doesnt nearly go as far. They keep the ball just far enough outside the box, where you need tactical positionning, and not chasers.


Athletico needs a world class game of their fullbacks. Then again, felipe luis is able.

 

[Hist]

...which is a HUGE achievement off our board and scouting staff, let that be very clear.

I don't think we are the most tactically flexible squad on paper. Or actually I am not sure how you measure tactical flexibility. Is it by the number of formations that the squad can fit on paper? or the number of formations the squad actually alternates between effectively?


We can't adopt a wing based formation almost at all because of our serious lack of wingers (Pogba as LM for instance). Bayern's squad is so huge they can play with 6 in the midfield if they want to. They can play wingers they can play centrally they can do anything because of how large the squad is. They have a lot of quality players for every position. They also have players that cover a variety of positions like Lahm, Alaba, Vidal, Muller and Gotze. They have a big squad because they have lots of money and they have a very good management.


Our management definitely deserves credit for how they built Juve given the limited resources. Juve, ATM and Bayern are the most efficiently managed clubs imo. BVB does pretty well too with very little waste.

 

[DAiDEViL]

And Max did to Monaco? or Barca? or even to ATM themselves?

how adapt to a team that is simply unwilling to play football?

and YES Max did adapt to Barca. even back then when he was coaching Milan.

 

[Hist]

schooled? he is playing the same game over and over again. sit back and :xfinger: for a counter attack, if it doesn't work and their opponent takes the lead: they are done. 1-trick pony.

Max on the other hand is constantly changing tactics depending on who we play, even midgame.

We adjust our plans when we play top teams that we can't dominate. ATM does the same. They dont play counter attacking football in La liga. They wouldn't be 3 points away from Barca now and wouldn't have beaten Barca and Madrid to the title 2 years ago if they don't change their style.

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how adapt to a team that is simply unwilling to play football?

and YES Max did adapt to Barca. even back then when he was coaching Milan.

He tried and failed thats the difference.


Look no one is doubting Max's tactical brilliance... you are doubting Simeone's which is really unfair for a guy that achieved so much with so little so consistently. Would you say the same if he wasn't an Inter icon?

 

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[il brutto]

Fixed it for you.

Thanks.

 

[campionesidd]

Suarez should be forced to play in a straitjacket from now on.

 

[Cerval]

Barcelona keeps the play wide, but ultimately tries to combine trough the center, or tries to reach players in the box with low/medium crosses. Athletico is excellent at that.

Bayern keeps the play wide and surround the opponent. They dont try to combine trough the center, they try 3 things

1) cross to lewandowski from a difficult spot to defend him
2) cutback cross to one of many midfield runners
3) switch the ball around consistantly, and try to create a 2v1 diagonal situation, which is their main strenght.


Athletico can perfectly manage the first 2, but they'll get defeated on the 3rd. To avoid the 3rd, you need to keep their defence deeper. You can only do that if you block off the center playmaking, secure the wings, and have a shitload of pace from the striker who plays on the back of the defence, and the wingers. That 4-5-1 was absolutely countering bayern to shit.

Athletico has the wide players and forward to do this, but they are inferior to juve counterparts, but they cannot block the central playmaking. They can stop combining trough the center at their box, but bayern doesnt nearly go as far. They keep the ball just far enough outside the box, where you need tactical positionning, and not chasers.


Athletico needs a world class game of their fullbacks. Then again, felipe luis is able.

You're hypothesising a bit too much here. I don't see Bayern having a lot of 2 v 1s, I see this being a close game and Atletico's midfield certainly can match Bayern's. Hernanes matched Bayern.

In any case, I feel this Bayern is a bit overrated.

 

[DAiDEViL]

Look no one is doubting Max's tactical brilliance... you are doubting Simeone's which is really unfair for a guy that achieved so much with so little so consistently. Would you say the same if he wasn't an Inter icon?

yes. because show me the brilliance. i can't see it.

 

[il brutto]

We didnt ran out of steam. We were absolutely raping bayern. However, when Morata came off, Mandzukic decided he was a central midfielder, allowing bayern's defence to move 30 meters forward, and play their favorite game.

We had no subs. All had some injury. And we missed Marchisio, who covers most ground.

And even then, Bayern needed a disgusting amount of luck and consecutive $#@!ups of licht and evra to score that equaliser



You need to be able to keep the ball to release some pressure, and have a counter threat.

I agree with most of your points but we still lost the intensity because we didn't have the legs anymore. Mistakes are harder to avoid if you're tired it takes one wrong decision to lose those games.