[CL] Champions League 2015/2016 (21 Viewers)

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pavluska

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Apr 25, 2013
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I was thinking, when we face Bayern: will we play 3-5-2 or 4-3-1-2?

We are in a good form now and the 3-52 is actually working good, but we can also play 4-3-1-2 our CL formation last year.
Maybe we can try to play Dybala as CAM and Mandzukic and Zaza up-front? That would be a hell for the Bayern defenders.
3 strikers with Dybala as AM is out of the question.

Pogba did well as an AM once earlier this season, and that's when he was out of form. He was moved there in first half when Pereyra came off injured and Asamoah got subbed in IIRC. He should be tried there in another game, and if he passes, this can be a very good option for 1st/home leg:

Buffon
Lichtsteiner Bonucci Chiellini A.Sandro/Evra
Khedira Marchisio Asamoah
Pogba
Dybala Mandzukic​

Teams who play a high line and attack can be susceptible at the back obviously. You're more likely to take advantage of that with a 4312 than a 352, which creates less chances and is harder to counter with. Also, against teams like Bayern and Real, only way (other than successfully parking the bus 180 mins which is almost impossible) we can win is by winning the midfield battle. We do have good midfielders. If we get a decent result in the 1st leg, go with the more defensive 352/532 with BBC and Evra at the back in the away leg.

Messi won it this year despite beeing injured for most of the new season.


Neymar would have been more correct
Messi didnt really play well, while neymar was quite good when he took over in his abscence.
You're like constantly in competition with yourself to do ever better than the last post. Just when I think I've seen the worst, you surprise me again.

Let's not exaggerate here. You obviously never watch Cristiano play if you think he only scores goals.

While Messi clearly deserves the Ballon d'Or for this past year and only an idiot would say otherwise... Cristiano assists at very near the rate Messi does while playing with far less prolific forwards than Neymar and Suarez.

Last season:

Cristiano Ronaldo: 58 goals -- 19 assists -4164 minutes in CL and La Liga--- a goal/assist every 54.1 minutes
Lionel Messi: 53 goals -- 23 assists -4421 minutes in CL and La Liga---- a goal/assist every 58.2 minutes

This year:

Cristiano Ronaldo: 27 goals - 10 assists - 2340 minutes in CL and La Liga--- a goal/assist every 63.2 minutes
Lionel Messi: 14 goals - 5 assists - 1380 minutes in CL and La Liga --- a goal/assist every 72.6 minutes

You guys who say Messi is on an entirely different level exaggerate as badly as Zach does when he disparages Messi. Messi and Cristiano are pretty clearly 1a and 1b in world football for the last few years and their goal and assist outputs are almost identical.
Cristiano has a much better goal/assist per minute ratio than Messi over the last season and a half. This doesn't mean Cristiano is better, but stating Messi is on a different level and Cristiano doesn't provide assists is absurd and flies directly in the face of facts. Messi is the better player imo, because above goals+assists he's more involved in games than Cristiano, but the difference is very slim.
:tup:

Ronaldo trained himself to be an incredibly efficient footballer. Some people mistake that for lacking in ability.

you will get injury while on the toilet
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Seven

In bocca al lupo, Fabio.
Jun 25, 2003
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A player can't be a level below Ronaldo and Messi because Ronaldo and Messi are not the same level.
You're wrong. It's okay to be a Messi fanboy, but I invite you to look at all of Ronaldo's goals for Real Madrid. The sheer accuracy, fluidity of his movements to get the goal and the rough power with headers are of undeniable quality. They are also attributes Messi simply does not have. The two are very different, but are equally good. As is demonstrated by their eerily similar goal ratio.
 

Post Ironic

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Feb 9, 2013
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You're wrong. It's okay to be a Messi fanboy, but I invite you to look at all of Ronaldo's goals for Real Madrid. The sheer accuracy, fluidity of his movements to get the goal and the rough power with headers are of undeniable quality. They are also attributes Messi simply does not have. The two are very different, but are equally good. As is demonstrated by their eerily similar goal ratio.
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And contrary to the deluded beliefs of Messi fanboys, they also have an eerily similar assist ratio over the last couple years. But no, Cristiano can only score goals. No way he can create for others or pass the ball.

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Fred

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Oct 2, 2003
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Ronaldo is not even the 2nd best player in the world. The whole Messi v Ronaldo debate should be replaced with a Suarez v Ronaldo to be a bit more meaningful.
Now you're just exaggerating; Suarez might be in better form than Ronaldo over the past three-four months, but you have to understand that this is Suarez having an amazing season by his standards and Ronaldo having one of the worst periods of the past 6-7 years, and despite that even if Suarez is in better form, he's barely been better than Ronaldo.

That in itself should show you the gulf in quality between Ronaldo and Suarez, the two are simply not on the same level at all.

When Ronaldo is in form, only Messi can be better, nobody else comes close. There are no facts in football but if there was, then the closest thing to a fact is that Messi and Ronaldo are so much better than the rest. You can argue who is better between those two, but nobody else comes close.
 
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