Ciro Ferrara (79 Viewers)
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I observe the demeanour, and I can understand WHY the demeanour is so lethargic. the relationship between Team and Manager is a mixture of husband/wife and father/son. Ciro is both a terrible father and awful husband who cannot perform in bed.
The team is the wife and/or child...His example is one of uselessness.
The importance of a manager cannot be underestimated. for what can children do other than follow the examples set and disciplined into them???
Let us ignore what Ciro did as a player. Because we should and must. Because his playing career is not his managerial career. Let us imagine that Ciro has zero history with Juve. And we brought him IN with the hope he could manage...He can not manage. Its that simple.
A manager must lead by example. He must instill into his charges the desire and hunger to battle, to fight, to wage war, and essentially, to win. A manager must demand respect, not just as a man, but as a competent tactician.
I have never seen a manager failing so horrendously, and consistently, at a top club, and for the players to be blamed. This may be unfair...but its a hell of a lot easier to change a manager, than to change a team...
The team is the wife and/or child...His example is one of uselessness.
The importance of a manager cannot be underestimated. for what can children do other than follow the examples set and disciplined into them???
Let us ignore what Ciro did as a player. Because we should and must. Because his playing career is not his managerial career. Let us imagine that Ciro has zero history with Juve. And we brought him IN with the hope he could manage...He can not manage. Its that simple.
A manager must lead by example. He must instill into his charges the desire and hunger to battle, to fight, to wage war, and essentially, to win. A manager must demand respect, not just as a man, but as a competent tactician.
I have never seen a manager failing so horrendously, and consistently, at a top club, and for the players to be blamed. This may be unfair...but its a hell of a lot easier to change a manager, than to change a team...
But I still find this very one sided. Even if the tactics are completely wrong, utterly negative towards the objectives at hand, players should still be able to produce a few moments of individual brilliance. They shouldn't be giving the ball away consistently, or find it difficult to make runs, simple concepts of football that seem to have gone astray recently. I mean, I can't imagine Ciro telling Melo to purposely make risky passes, teaching Amauri to stray away from scoring positions, or preaching the best football has the least movement possible. That's not going to fly.
The tactics are certainly amiss, but clearly the players have something else going on in their psyche. Ciro certainly cares about Juve no matter what upset dunderheads around here proclaim, so I really doubt Ciro is showing unfairness to players or anything that would cause them to lose heart. There must be something internally, more like a lack of faith in the coach, to spur on this lack of heart in the team.
Make of it what you will, but as I said figuratively speaking, Ciro cannot hold Melo's hand in passing the ball. It doesn't matter if he's deployed as a quoted "regista" or not -- the guy simply has not stepped up to the plate on an individual level, and so has many of his mates, from Cannavaro to Amauri to Grosso.
The tactics are certainly amiss, but clearly the players have something else going on in their psyche. Ciro certainly cares about Juve no matter what upset dunderheads around here proclaim, so I really doubt Ciro is showing unfairness to players or anything that would cause them to lose heart. There must be something internally, more like a lack of faith in the coach, to spur on this lack of heart in the team.
Make of it what you will, but as I said figuratively speaking, Ciro cannot hold Melo's hand in passing the ball. It doesn't matter if he's deployed as a quoted "regista" or not -- the guy simply has not stepped up to the plate on an individual level, and so has many of his mates, from Cannavaro to Amauri to Grosso.
But that doesn't prove anything. What you need to do, young poet, is prove how Ferrara is ruining Melo, or making him not complete simple passes. The question here is not how Ferrara is ruining us as collective unit; that much is obvious. But what folks need to prove is how some players can blame Ferrara for not stepping up to the plate on an individual level.
And I don't mean folks like Canna who have shown for years to be past it and not worth our time. But the lack of desire from most players is appalling, and it doesn't seem like all the coach's fault.
And I don't mean folks like Canna who have shown for years to be past it and not worth our time. But the lack of desire from most players is appalling, and it doesn't seem like all the coach's fault.
I know this won't go down well with many here, but I think that part of the problem is, wait for it, the old guard. Those that stayed with the club in Serie B. I think the fact that they did that gives them presitige, both with the club administrators, and even more so with us, the fans. They have moral authority which might be subverting the authority of the coach, with the unfortunate result of a complicated power dynamic. The coach (especially if it somebody like Ranieri or Ciro, as oppossed to the likes of Hiddink, Capello, Ferguson, Mourinho - who inspire fear/respect) cannot impose his plans effectively if he is constantly trying to ensure not to piss off the old guard.
For those who have a hard time understanding: I am not defending Ciro per se. I am definitely not dissing the old guard. I am not siding with anybody here. I'm merely stating that my suspicion, and i admit that it's just that, is that there is an underlying tension in group dynamics, and I doubt anything will be solved before the transition from Old Juve to the New Juve is complete.
For those who have a hard time understanding: I am not defending Ciro per se. I am definitely not dissing the old guard. I am not siding with anybody here. I'm merely stating that my suspicion, and i admit that it's just that, is that there is an underlying tension in group dynamics, and I doubt anything will be solved before the transition from Old Juve to the New Juve is complete.
I believe you have a point when it comes to the reliance on the old guard. Del Piero's performances have bailed us out time and time again over the past few years, providing us with the goals and assists that won us several games. But now we have this dependancy on him which we can't shake, much like an alcohol addiction.
I've noted this before, and I still think it is a problem.
I've noted this before, and I still think it is a problem.
who Said that. And the 4 players we have that are good enough is 4 players we can regularly count on to deliver. This figure takes into account the many injuries. It's not worthless no, hence we were in the running for half a season, but once some of the more important players dissapear we fall apart. Seriously if you compare our squad to the cl topsquads (isn't that where we want to compete?) we do fall short. Again taking into account our many absentees. Also with everyone available we still lack in many positions.
A good tactician can masque these problems granted, but in the end quality will come through.
I'm not asking for a spending spree, far from it as is part of what has gotten us into so much trouble. Blind spending on fancy names to please the fans..
D- Days 
