Ciro Ferrara (23 Viewers)

v1rtu4l

Senior Member
Mar 4, 2008
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momo should be our gattuso (not the present gattuso, but the 2006-gattuso)... he did not play as def midfielder, but as "right midfielder" that just roams and provides a defensive line in front of the actual defensive or holding midfielder.
 

Ahmed

Principino
Sep 3, 2006
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momo should be our gattuso (not the present gattuso, but the 2006-gattuso)... he did not play as def midfielder, but as "right midfielder" that just roams and provides a defensive line in front of the actual defensive or holding midfielder.
:agree: that's how I play Momo in PES :p
 

abejaa

Senior Member
Sep 25, 2006
1,665
momo should be our gattuso (not the present gattuso, but the 2006-gattuso)... he did not play as def midfielder, but as "right midfielder" that just roams and provides a defensive line in front of the actual defensive or holding midfielder.
I really expect Juve to shine when Momo and alex come back. Momo with Melo will rape and will help each other, cos having poulsen instead of Momo it's just headache for every juve player
 

Quetzalcoatl

It ain't hard to tell
Aug 22, 2007
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Nah, I like Marchisio in his current position and I don't find his range of passing good enough for that position.

442 diamond is the best option imo

Gigi

Defense

Momo(poulsen)

Melo(Marrone) Marchisio(Tiago)

Diego(Camo)
That's replacing Melo with Momo as holding mid. If you think Melo has some fuckups as a holding mid, imagine Momo. At least Melo is generally a good passer, while Momo is better off further up in midfield and not so much in a static position.
 

Quetzalcoatl

It ain't hard to tell
Aug 22, 2007
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i think his mobility will come very handy covering the flanks doubleteaming wingers, he will not try anything fancy and with that alone hes better than melo for that position imo
He might not try anything fancy but his limited ability is a big risk for that position. The holding midfielder is the one who has to drop deep when the defence is in possession and try to distribute.
 

GordoDeCentral

Diez
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Apr 14, 2005
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He might not try anything fancy but his limited ability is a big risk for that position. The holding midfielder is the one who has to drop deep when the defence is in possession and try to distribute.
not necessarily, with 2 box to box mids he d have enough support to get the ball forward; more of a sweeper than a pirlo
 

noussa

Senior Member
Aug 29, 2008
751
----------------buffon------------------

----------Canna--------chiello---------

-Zebina- ---------------------- ------Grosso


-----------Sissoko ------- Melo----------


---camo --------------------------------Marchi/Gio


------------------Diego--
------------------------------Amauri/Iaquinta


btw is it sissoko is avalaible for our next game?
 

JCK

Biased
JCK
May 11, 2004
125,388
momo should be our gattuso (not the present gattuso, but the 2006-gattuso)... he did not play as def midfielder, but as "right midfielder" that just roams and provides a defensive line in front of the actual defensive or holding midfielder.
Playing at a higher position will offer us more pressure, more area will be covered and Sissoko will as far from the defensive line as possible which is good considering his ability with the ball on his feet.
 

Red

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Nov 26, 2006
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That's fine defensively, but Milan had Cafu doing all the attacking down that side when that was working well.

We don't have a right back who can take on that sort of responsibilty effectively, so play will continue to get bogged down in the centre.

With the full backs we have available we I don't think we can play all of Melo, Sissoko and Marchisio and remain balanced.
 

Plusvalenza

The Photoshop Pervert
Jan 6, 2009
771
I know that everyone's posting new formations now in every possible topic, but what about "X"...

Zebina__Canna__Chiellini__Grosso
_______Melo______Momo______
__________Marchisio__________
____Diego/Camo___Gio/DP_____
___________Trez/Iaq__________

That would use our currently best player as a link between 2 DM and 2 AM. And we need this link badly. Besides:
- Melo and Momo wouldn't need to pass further than 10 meters;
- our opponents would have to cover not only Diego but especially Marchisio;
- our DM's would still have 2 options in front if Marchisio was covered;
- Iaquinta could be selfish and he is anyway;

The only problem is width and our fullbacks, but they would need to play with 3 CB's to be somehow useful. And who knows, maybe a 5-men defence is what we need:

____Legro/Caceres_Canna_Chiellini_______
Zebina________________________De Ceglie
_______Melo/Momo___Marchisio__________
_____________Diego__________________
___________________Gio/DP___________
______Trez/Iaq/Amauri_________________
 

Red

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Nov 26, 2006
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People seem to be missing the real problem here.

Unless we can learn to play something resembling possession football, all formations based on a narrow midfield and attacking full backs are doomed to failure.

People need to be patient and allow Ferrara the chance to improve our passing game, before looking to make too much by way of adjustments.

Right now, we are playing in a style that is suited to an orthodox 4-4-2 with a squad that is suited to 4-3-1-2.

This means you either work on the team's passing and movement or you force someone to play out of position and switch to a 4-4-2.

The first option is clearly preferable.


4-2-3-1 could work as a temporary solution, but it is not workable on a longer term basis with the players currently available.
 

Red

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Nov 26, 2006
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Are you sure about this? I mean, do we have a squad that is suited to a 4-3-1-2 formation? I'm not sure I agree with that.
I meant in terms of having the appropriate numbers of players for each position, not that the players in certain positions (full back) are necessarily good enough to make the system work effectively.

I should possibly have said the squad has been build to play 4-3-1-2, whether it is suited to it is debatable.
 

Buck Fuddy

Lara Chedraoui fanboy
May 22, 2009
10,888
I see, that does make more sense :)

Our fullbacks may not be the only problem in a 4-3-1-2 formation though. I'm having bigger doubts about our midfield consisting of mostly "wrong" players for this system.
 

Red

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Nov 26, 2006
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I don't think they are 'wrong' players, I just think it is taking time for them to adjust to a slower, more controlled, passing game.

It's a big ask for players to jump straight from what was pretty much kick and rush under Ranieri to a completely different playing mentality.
 

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