Champions League 2023-24 (29 Viewers)

[Strickland]

that's factually wrong with so many stats being recorded since more than a decade. for a quick and dirty example you could easily tell within 2 minutes if there was any player in the top5 leagues who averaged 5 tackles per game and could score 10 goals during a full season like vidal was capable of. and there's zero players like him. you can also compare full teams or let's say a complete midfield based on their performances.

of course stats aren't everything, they ignore mentality, leadership, off the ball movements and many non quantifiable things, they still provide a useful baseline for similar comparisons. you know whether an in form de ligt was comparable to top chiellini. you know for a fact how van dijk's performance dropped throughout the last few seasons and how he never matched barzagli's consistency over almost a decade. and if there was a barzagli in the making hiding somewhere, giuntoli (and everyone with a brain and an opta subscription) would be aware of him.

athleticism is on a different level, i agree. skill though... i watched a bit of a random pl game the other day, and while they ran like madmen indeed, they were shit with the ball and it wasn't even funny. many countries find difficulties in selecting enough talent, because young rich west european dudes care more about playstation and fashion than playing sports. that's a real problem agnelli repeated many times and if you look at the state of the italian nt's you'll agree. there are individual counter examples, scalvini or baldanzi are bloody talented, the fact still remains: with every passing year, less guys want to be pro footballers

anyway, i like to be wrong on my pessimistic views, so as always, i hope that we'll see a juventus with more quality than the 2015 team in the next decade. if there are so many talents and the general level of players gets better with every year, then it's not impossible

the grass was always greener when we were young. when I suggested that Chiellini belongs in the same sentence as Cannavaro people got very defensive similar to how you don't see a defender that's as good as Chiellini in nowadays footie. you remember Barzagli being super consistent for almost a decade while in reality Barzagli found his mojo when he came to Juve in 2011 and from 2016 onwards he was more and more a backup option.

the only argument on why footballers should be getting worse while sports medicine, statistics, infrastructure, resources and everything else is improving rapidly is the declining demographic of some of the footballing countries. f.e. in Italy in the birthrate per 1000 persons was 17 in 1970, 12 in 1980, 9.8 in 1990, 9.3 in 2000 and 2010 and 7.3 in 2010. combined with how football might be loosing its footing among the younger gen it might explain why Italian NT and Serie A is declining.

 

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[s4tch]

the grass was always greener when we were young.

i was well in my mid 30's in conte's unbeaten season. i could have mentioned platini and i deliberately avoided it.

let me get it straight, who's the new chiellini, barza, pirlo, vidal, pogba, marchisio, buffon? if the quality is there, and players get better every year, then you shouldn't find any difficulty in naming those players. where's the potential core of the new juventus? and i'm not talking about titles, that depends on multiple factors, just the quality of players. give me names instead of being picky on stuff like oh, barzagli wasn't consistent for a full decade

 

[Seven]

the grass was always greener when we were young. when I suggested that Chiellini belongs in the same sentence as Cannavaro people got very defensive similar to how you don't see a defender that's as good as Chiellini in nowadays footie. you remember Barzagli being super consistent for almost a decade while in reality Barzagli found his mojo when he came to Juve in 2011 and from 2016 onwards he was more and more a backup option.

the only argument on why footballers should be getting worse while sports medicine, statistics, infrastructure, resources and everything else is improving rapidly is the declining demographic of some of the footballing countries. f.e. in Italy in the birthrate per 1000 persons was 17 in 1970, 12 in 1980, 9.8 in 1990, 9.3 in 2000 and 2010 and 7.3 in 2010. combined with how football might be loosing its footing among the younger gen it might explain why Italian NT and Serie A is declining.

I've noticed a pretty significant decline on the level of pub teams, not joking.

I used to play semi professionally on Sunday and for a pub team on Saturday (not allowed by my club obviously lol).

I was among the better players on the pub team, but I ought to have been. After all I was training much more than most of the others. Today I'm still playing for the same pub team. I'm only half the player I was, but I'm still among the better players. We have younger guys, but in my opinion most of them are lacking in skill and fitness. Other pub teams in my area are even struggling to find enough people to play for them.

I see this trend where young players are either decent at football and continue on a professional or semi professional basis or they're not great and they quit and do something else. 25 years ago almost every boy I knew played football. You'd have the musician or the arts guy who refused to lol, but all others did. And not just for a few years. They did so throughout childhood and then, if they weren't all that great, they'd join a pub team. These days if they realize at 11 they're not going to cut it, they look for other things to do. And I don't necessarily mean video games or anything. Most of the time they simply do other sports.

 

[Strickland]

i was well in my mid 30's in conte's unbeaten season. i could have mentioned platini and i deliberately avoided it.

let me get it straight, who's the new chiellini, barza, pirlo, vidal, pogba, marchisio, buffon? if the quality is there, and players get better every year, then you shouldn't find any difficulty in naming those players. where's the potential core of the new juventus? and i'm not talking about titles, that depends on multiple factors, just the quality of players. give me names instead of being picky on stuff like oh, barzagli wasn't consistent for a full decade

I think CBs are less and less dominant in nowadays game, there's also no elite regista's anymore and the age of star goalkeepers is fading. Now its all about the wingers (Vinicius, Leao, Chiesa, Kvara, Rodrygo), attacking midfielders (de Bruyne, Musiala, Bernardo Silva, Odegard) and center forwards (Mbappe, Haaland, Osimhen, Kane). Football has changed and the new heroes are not playing the same positions as the heroes a generation or two back, but it doesn't mean that you can't put together a team as good as 2015 Juve, it'll just play 433 instead of 4312.

 

[Elvin]

I've noticed a pretty significant decline on the level of pub teams, not joking.

I used to play semi professionally on Sunday and for a pub team on Saturday (not allowed by my club obviously lol).

I was among the better players on the pub team, but I ought to have been. After all I was training much more than most of the others. Today I'm still playing for the same pub team. I'm only half the player I was, but I'm still among the better players. We have younger guys, but in my opinion most of them are lacking in skill and fitness. Other pub teams in my area are even struggling to find enough people to play for them.

I see this trend where young players are either decent at football and continue on a professional or semi professional basis or they're not great and they quit and do something else. 25 years ago almost every boy I knew played football. You'd have the musician or the arts guy who refused to lol, but all others did. And not just for a few years. They did so throughout childhood and then, if they weren't all that great, they'd join a pub team. These days if they realize at 11 they're not going to cut it, they look for other things to do. And I don't necessarily mean video games or anything. Most of the time they simply do other sports.

everything is simple. they are simply way more entertainment options now than there were when we were kids. For us football was pretty much the only fun thing to do there was.

 

[Rockets]

I think the debate may boil down to whether lacking of talent is more a genetic thing or an environmental thing. Are we breeding less and less talents or that it's the society that is producing less and less talents. Imo the latter plays a much larger part.

 

[s4tch]

fortunately agnelli is gone so the sport is clean and belongs to the people once again

 

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[Post Ironic]

Unfortunately at this point we wouldn’t even qualify for it

 

[s4tch]

so they are basically admitting that the sl project wasn't a bad idea, the main problem with it was that it wasn't uefa's idea. and since it's uefa, clubs won't get any more money, so what's the point

and of course lol at a22 if they failed to copyright the name

 

[Badass J Elkann]

Maybe we should ditch the super league format and create the super champions league instead then

 

[Orgut]

Any betting tips regarding Lens vs Arsenal? Is an Arsenal riot probable for this one?

 

[Badass J Elkann]

Any betting tips regarding Lens vs Arsenal? Is an Arsenal riot probable for this one?

I wouldnt say its a riot, Lens were really good last season but have sold some key players like Openda, they got off to a poor start this season but have picked recently. I still fancy arsenal to win this though

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Meanwhile in nipples. Mount vesuvius is waking up!!!

https://football-italia.net/napoli-and-real-madrid-shaken-by-earthquake/

 

[Badass J Elkann]

Looks like bumucci is having another horror show for Union Berlin hes been awful in the league so far this season by far their worst player.

 

[U Picciriddu]

We are so far removed from Napoli’s and Real’s level

 

[JuveJay]

Of course Zaha scored past United.

 

[dbochev]

Bellingham is starting to piss me off

 

[s4tch]

Of course Zaha scored past United.

saw a quote of his pre-match interview saying that "utd? it's just a team i used to play for 10 years ago" or something along the lines. revenge is a good motivator i guess

 

[Bjerknes]

Jude making it look easy against those fucks. Hope he scores 5 more.

 

[Stevie]

Horrible defending by Napoli made that Jude goal look better than it was.

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Looks like bumucci is having another horror show for Union Berlin hes been awful in the league so far this season by far their worst player.

No surprise there.

It's a shame we never got to see home suck every weekend for another team in Serie A.