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[Juvellino]

Support for Palestine should be hidden when interacting with Israel? Seems like one side is a bit touchy and don't mind opressing another (yet again) to feel better about themselves.

 

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[Fr3sh]

Would you blaze it up with the leaders of both nations?

It all stems from sexual frustration

Hookers and blow for everyone

 

[Ocelot]

Meh, these kind of politics should be kept out of football stadiums, especially if it's used just in order to provoke.

Of course you gotta be consistent with that - swinging Israeli flags at some random Palestina match should be equally sanctioned.

 

[Elvin]

It all stems from sexual frustration

You might be kidding. But I seriously believe that at its core all Middle Eastern problems stem from sexual frustration indeed.

 

[Ocelot]

You might be kidding. But I seriously believe that at its core all Middle Eastern problems stem from sexual frustration indeed.

wat

 

[Nzoric]

wat

Its just Elvin.

 

[Elvin]

wat

Their mentality man, they're all fucked up because they don't get enough sex, I'm sure of it.

 

[Fr3sh]

 

[Cerval]

Meh, these kind of politics should be kept out of football stadiums, especially if it's used just in order to provoke.

Of course you gotta be consistent with that - swinging Israeli flags at some random Palestina match should be equally sanctioned.

We're going to start banning flags now? It's harmless and shouldn't be seen as a provocation imo. It's obviously not in the same category as having offensive banners.

 

[Ocelot]

We're going to start banning flags now? It's harmless and shouldn't be seen as a provocation imo. It's obviously not in the same category as having offensive banners.

Not flags in general, but you can't honestly tell me that those flags weren't supposed to provoke.

If they'd been waving Scottish flags, no one would complain. Hell, if they were Peruvian flags no one would complain (although it would be weird af).

 

[Cerval]

Not flags in general, but you can't honestly tell me that those flags weren't supposed to provoke.

If they'd been waving Scottish flags, no one would complain. Hell, if they were Peruvian flags no one would complain (although it would be weird af).

It was, but that does set a precedent. What happens if it would have been a palestinian just being proud? There's flags of everywhere in a football match. I think Israel is being too sensitive here, supporting Palestine shouldn't be seen as an attack on Israel even if it was meant to get a reaction.

 

[Hust]

Their mentality man, they're all fucked up because they don't get enough sex, I'm sure of it.

 

[Karim30]

You might be kidding. But I seriously believe that at its core all Middle Eastern problems stem from sexual frustration indeed.

I'm Egyptian myself and I can assert that by resolving the sex before marriage taboo our lives in Egypt will be much better and easier but definitely it's not THE SOLUTION to a religious conflict (Israel and Palestine), or a crazy military dictatorship (Egypt's problems)

 

[Scottish]

Not flags in general, but you can't honestly tell me that those flags weren't supposed to provoke.

If they'd been waving Scottish flags, no one would complain. Hell, if they were Peruvian flags no one would complain (although it would be weird af).

I wrote this essay about this issue if you'd care to read

http://www.bbc.com/sport/football/37135150

So UEFA have officially opened the disciplinary process over Celtic fans' displaying of an 'illicit banner' at Parkhead on Wednesday. I wasn't at the stadium and could be wrong but I presume they are referring to the waving of flags in solidarity with the Palestinian people. The problem is that UEFA doesn't like political statements being made through football. Unfortunately for this black and white view of things it's not so easy to separate Celtic Football Club from politics.

National flags of a number of different peoples can be regularly spotted at Parkhead - Irish, Scottish, Basque, Catalán and Palestinian flags are shown at games in the Champions League, Scottish cup and probably the odd friendly as well. I'm not naieve enough to suggest that this especially large display of Palestinian flags on Wednesday just happened to happen before a match against an Israeli club. It was an obviously calculated move and an attempt to fly in the face of the Israeli state. It's the kind of stunt that Glasgow City Council pulled when the renamed what is now 'Nelson Mandela Place' in the centre of Glasgow - ensuring that, while the big man himself was locked up somewhere in South Africa, his government had his name as a part of their listed address for their embassy in the city.

Some people would argue that there's a time and a place for such statements. Perhaps a more suitable time would be when one is not within earshot of an Israeli company and so many of its Israeli followers? While I obviously doubt that the Hapoel Be'er Sheva hierarchy are at any direct fault for the various atrocities which have happened since the reinstatement of the Israeli state, the team represents by and is represented by Israeli people. Why would it not be a good idea to take the opportunity to make a short display to show them how our city feels about the treatment of the Palestinian people? In August 2014 the same flag was raised over the City Chambers in Glasgow - why was that an acceptable time but this not? The only real difference I can see is that this time it was where Israelis could see it. Is it only ok to support Palestine when The State of Israel's back is turned? If so that is worrying on a number of other levels. Would you try to shelter Nigel Farage from your thoughts on his view, or hide your YES Scotland badge when you're out and about in case you run into a No voter?

As for the 'place' - exactly why wouldn't Celtic Park be an acceptable place for a show of solidarity for a marginalised people? That's clearly a pretty light word to use here, and I include it because it strengthens my point here - Celtic Football Club was started to help build a community for the Irish immigrant population who were, according to what I learned as I grew up In Glasgow, shunned and exluded by the pre-existing population of Glasgow. The club has a robust history of opposing racism in a number of forms and its followers traditionally would be in favour of the principle of self-determination of various peoples which brings me back to the commonly-seen flags I mentioned at the beginning. As we descendents of these immigrants are now fully accepted and integrated into Scottish society it is surely only right that we show support for a different people now going through things much worse?

The Green Brigade ultras don't always speak for all of us Celtic fans and certainly not for all of us Glasweigans but in this case I would hope that they have most of us on their side. There is never a bad time or a place to show support for a people being put through such horrors and one could also make the point - how can UEFA involve itself in the anti-racist #respect campaign and yet prohibit 'any message that is not fit for a sports event, particularly messages that are of a political, ideological, religious, offensive or provocative nature' in football stadiums? Anti-racism is an ideology (one supported by Green Brigade banners at every match, I might add). Perhaps its one which is so obviously just to so many of us that it doesn't really count - but perhaps the point here is that support of the Palestinian people should be as obvious?

 

[DAiDEViL]

@Hist

 

[Boksic]

Let's be honest the flags were waved to provoke. They would be waved every week if the fans are so concerned the issue.

Politics is bad enough, no place for it n football.

 

[Scottish]

Let's be honest the flags were waved to provoke. They would be waved every week if the fans are so concerned the issue.

Politics is bad enough, no place for it n football.

Palestinian flags are waved every week at Celtic Park. Every single week. With regard to the bold part - do you think the Green Brigade just wanted to create a lot of fuss and get their club fined? Why on earth would they do that?


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@Hist

 

[zizinho]

i kinda love Celtic now

and fuck UEFA, fining clubs for something like that

 

[Hist]

I wrote this essay about this issue if you'd care to read

http://www.bbc.com/sport/football/37135150

So UEFA have officially opened the disciplinary process over Celtic fans' displaying of an 'illicit banner' at Parkhead on Wednesday. I wasn't at the stadium and could be wrong but I presume they are referring to the waving of flags in solidarity with the Palestinian people. The problem is that UEFA doesn't like political statements being made through football. Unfortunately for this black and white view of things it's not so easy to separate Celtic Football Club from politics.

National flags of a number of different peoples can be regularly spotted at Parkhead - Irish, Scottish, Basque, Catalán and Palestinian flags are shown at games in the Champions League, Scottish cup and probably the odd friendly as well. I'm not naieve enough to suggest that this especially large display of Palestinian flags on Wednesday just happened to happen before a match against an Israeli club. It was an obviously calculated move and an attempt to fly in the face of the Israeli state. It's the kind of stunt that Glasgow City Council pulled when the renamed what is now 'Nelson Mandela Place' in the centre of Glasgow - ensuring that, while the big man himself was locked up somewhere in South Africa, his government had his name as a part of their listed address for their embassy in the city.

Some people would argue that there's a time and a place for such statements. Perhaps a more suitable time would be when one is not within earshot of an Israeli company and so many of its Israeli followers? While I obviously doubt that the Hapoel Be'er Sheva hierarchy are at any direct fault for the various atrocities which have happened since the reinstatement of the Israeli state, the team represents by and is represented by Israeli people. Why would it not be a good idea to take the opportunity to make a short display to show them how our city feels about the treatment of the Palestinian people? In August 2014 the same flag was raised over the City Chambers in Glasgow - why was that an acceptable time but this not? The only real difference I can see is that this time it was where Israelis could see it. Is it only ok to support Palestine when The State of Israel's back is turned? If so that is worrying on a number of other levels. Would you try to shelter Nigel Farage from your thoughts on his view, or hide your YES Scotland badge when you're out and about in case you run into a No voter?

As for the 'place' - exactly why wouldn't Celtic Park be an acceptable place for a show of solidarity for a marginalised people? That's clearly a pretty light word to use here, and I include it because it strengthens my point here - Celtic Football Club was started to help build a community for the Irish immigrant population who were, according to what I learned as I grew up In Glasgow, shunned and exluded by the pre-existing population of Glasgow. The club has a robust history of opposing racism in a number of forms and its followers traditionally would be in favour of the principle of self-determination of various peoples which brings me back to the commonly-seen flags I mentioned at the beginning. As we descendents of these immigrants are now fully accepted and integrated into Scottish society it is surely only right that we show support for a different people now going through things much worse?

The Green Brigade ultras don't always speak for all of us Celtic fans and certainly not for all of us Glasweigans but in this case I would hope that they have most of us on their side. There is never a bad time or a place to show support for a people being put through such horrors and one could also make the point - how can UEFA involve itself in the anti-racist #respect campaign and yet prohibit 'any message that is not fit for a sports event, particularly messages that are of a political, ideological, religious, offensive or provocative nature' in football stadiums? Anti-racism is an ideology (one supported by Green Brigade banners at every match, I might add). Perhaps its one which is so obviously just to so many of us that it doesn't really count - but perhaps the point here is that support of the Palestinian people should be as obvious?

I agree with you. At the very least UEFA has to be consistent. Either consistently ban political messages regardless of how small or big or let people carry whatever flags they want.

 

[lgorTudor]

Palestinian flags are waved every week at Celtic Park. Every single week. With regard to the bold part - do you think the Green Brigade just wanted to create a lot of fuss and get their club fined? Why on earth would they do that?


http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/features/2012/06/2012612204354413741.html

[video=fbpage;CelticFansForPalestine]https://www.facebook.com/CelticFansForPalestine[/video]

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