Calciopoli or Morattopoli.. inter fake orgasm (43 Viewers)

[am0110]

so the court cant punish them without FIGC giving green light?

I lack legal knowledge,but I think that new investigation,regarding inter and subsequent trial needs to be instegated by FIGC

 

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[juve103423]

They think the conversations between Moratti/Facchetti and Bergamo are innocent, as they dont ask for certain refs - just the "best" ones.
Another argument is the swiss sim card case of Moggis. What is the status on this matter ? I thought Moggi won the appeal and got declared innocent on this matter. But yesterday it was discussed again in court ?

 

[Juventino★★★]

you guys keep forgetting one thing, Inter isn't on trial here
Moggi is!
when you are not on trial, how the hell can you get sentenced
only when the prosecution opens another trial on Inter can they be punished not during another trial
didn't you guys ever watch 'Matlock'

but i think they can open case of questioning inter its part of moggi trial and if they find them guilty what should be next then? just say inter were guilty?

 

[am0110]

you guys keep forgetting one thing, Inter isn't on trial here
Moggi is!
when you are not on trial, how the hell can you get sentenced
only when the prosecution opens another trial on Inter can they be punished not during another trial
didn't you guys ever watch 'Matlock'

 

[Ahmed]

you guys keep forgetting one thing, Inter isn't on trial here
Moggi is!
when you are not on trial, how the hell can you get sentenced
only when the prosecution opens another trial on Inter can they be punished not during another trial
didn't you guys ever watch 'Matlock'

lol exactly, how the fuck will they jail Moratti when he isn't even a defendant...unless he breaks down and admits to guilt like they do in every episode of Law & Order.

 

[Djabrail]

If we get the scudetti back we wont clean our name. if anything people will say that Juve will always get it their way. as for the money, don't expect much.

juve IS whats important. its not about f**ing inter, its about setting the record straight and leveling they play-field ever since calciopoli inter had advantage in terms of squad and money and demoting them will make things more fair. also,

of course ideally they should be demoted and morrati suspended for five years plus revoking at least two titles (one is for sure).

I get r point, but i really want our fairly won scudetti back)
If everyone is guilty, then its over 4 good(4 scudetti)

ps. Dear God, make us innocent and punish Inter !)

 

[Ahmed]

can people please stop talking out of their ass and wait till Gsol gets here?!

 

[am0110]

but i think they can open case of questioning inter its part of moggi trial and if they find them guilty what should be next then? just say inter were guilty?

comparing circumstances under wich Juve was relegated and the whole thing now ,and things regarding inters position,it is difficult to be optimist when it comes to relegating inter,because they will not going down without some serious fight unlike us and our board

 

[am0110]

I also read one post,wich says that Juve were pushed to relegation in order FIAT to receive financial support from italian goverment,some type of blackmail,but thats all in area of conspiracy theory

 

[Alen]

Guys, don't these violations get old as time passes? Can Inter still be punished for violations from 2004/05? Wasn't there something like 2 years for clubs and 4 for individuals?

We all wish Inter to get punished, but realistically I don't think we can expect anything similar. To me it's clear that "All innocent" is what Moggi is trying to win here and when/if he does we will all feel like the only losers of Calciopoli (which we will be).
The most we can expect is scudetti back, name cleared and hope for compensation.

 

[JuveJay]

Guys, don't these violations get old as time passes? Can Inter still be punished for violations from 2004/05? Wasn't there something like 2 years for clubs and 4 for individuals?

We all wish Inter to get punished, but realistically I don't think we can expect anything similar. To me it's clear that "All innocent" is what Moggi is trying to win here and when/if he does we will all feel like the only losers of Calciopoli (which we will be).
The most we can expect is scudetti back, name cleared and hope for compensation.

I think it is 2 years now, Berlusconi keeps reducing it to get himself and his companies out of criminal trouble.

 

[Alen]

I think it is 2 years now, Berlusconi keeps reducing it to get himself and his companies out of criminal trouble.

Thanks. I believe I read the same thing in one Italian newspaper some days ago.
Doesn't this mean that there is absolutely no way Inter to be punished for something they did in 2004/05?

In such scenario, if "all guilty" wins....then is it possible Juve's punishment to be confirmed while Inter to escape any punishment? That would be disastrous.

 

[Jasp]

But a FIGC sports tribunal should not be held over the same accord as the criminal justice system. I think FIGC can relegate and punish as they like. However I know nothing about so I might be wrong.

 

[Hængebøffer]

you guys keep forgetting one thing, Inter isn't on trial here
Moggi is!
when you are not on trial, how the hell can you get sentenced
only when the prosecution opens another trial on Inter can they be punished not during another trial
didn't you guys ever watch 'Matlock'

And if Moggi wins, our club has to take legal action against the Figc, right?

 

[Jasp]

you guys keep forgetting one thing, Inter isn't on trial here
Moggi is!
when you are not on trial, how the hell can you get sentenced
only when the prosecution opens another trial on Inter can they be punished not during another trial
didn't you guys ever watch 'Matlock'

I can only speak about how it is in "civilized" countries. However if Moggi is found guilty and at the same time prove inter involvment, state prosecutors are probably obliged to pursuit with legal actions. (or at least they should, because the government can not NOT act when illegal activity is proven - but this is italy.) If it will be outdated by then is another story.

Inter are not on trial, but this can change rapidly.

If Moggi found innocent, not much can be done. But we get our respect back and they lose theirs. And inter fans can give each other handjobs while feeling victimized.

FIGC(as far as I know) should be able to react on any evidence.

 

[Ken]

But if all are innocent, surely they can't just walk away going 'Oh, sorry.. our mistake' ?

We should definitely be able to go after some sort of compensation, right?

I have no experience whatsoever when it comes to matters like these, but that's just common sense.

 

[David01]

And if Moggi wins, our club has to take legal action against the Figc, right?

true, that can be the opening of Pandora's box
a lot of trials can be expected if that happens
compensation, revoked titles, Guido Rossi...
but let's just wait and see for the outcome of this trial
I doubt Moggi will be acquited
I think he will be guilty as he doesn't deny the influence of referees, he only claims he wasn't the only one
and more trials can be the result of that, against Moratti for example

 

[Jasp]

Don't know how it works in italy, but when we're found innocent, we should be able to explore civil actions. Which would be a compensation trial against FIGC.

If that is the case, you'd think they would be proactive blaming single persons and giving back scudettos in order to avoid that since they should have a hard time going against the criminal conviction.

 

[JuveJay]

But if all are innocent, surely they can't just walk away going 'Oh, sorry.. our mistake' ?

We should definitely be able to go after some sort of compensation, right?

I have no experience whatsoever when it comes to matters like these, but that's just common sense.

Guilty or not guilty, there has to be a result where there is something Juventini like. If Inter are found guilty they go down. Nothing changes for us, because the crime is the same. The same for Milan and the others 'punished' in 2006. More clubs could be implicated also.

If Inter are found not guilty then Juventus have to, in a competent, unbiased court, be found not guilty as well. The evidence has shown this, and will more so by the 20th. Titles back from the sporting trial, plus any further action the club takes.

In another kangaroo court, it is possible they still put it down to a 'Moggi system', nothing changes at all.

 

[David01]

I can only speak about how it is in "civilized" countries. However if Moggi is found guilty and at the same time prove inter involvment, state prosecutors are probably obliged to pursuit with legal actions. (or at least they should, because the government can not NOT act when illegal activity is proven - but this is italy.) If it will be outdated by then is another story.

Inter are not on trial, but this can change rapidly.

If Moggi found innocent, not much can be done. But we get our respect back and they lose theirs. And inter fans can give each other handjobs while feeling victimized.

FIGC(as far as I know) should be able to react on any evidence.

yes but like I said, Inter or Moratti can not be sentenced in Moggi's trial
even if Moratti bursts out in teers and confesses his guilt, he can be arrested but only awaiting his own trial
FIGC is the same, they can use this trial as a basis for them to start their own trial but they can't convict or punish anyone based on this trial alone