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Bianconero81

Ageing Veteran
Jan 26, 2009
39,169
Juventus are demanding, not dreaming
At least Juventus have finally admitted their ambitions out loud, but Kaustubh Pandey wonders if Andrea Pirlo is the man to make them a superclub.


Juventus desperately want to be seen as a superclub on the level of Real Madrid or Barcelona, to lift the Champions League and end that two-decade curse. At least President Andrea Agnelli admitted as much this time when sacking Maurizio Sarri, declaring out loud once and for all that no, the Scudetto is not the main objective of the season and European glory is not a dream. It is a target. Having said that, is Andrea Pirlo really the man to take them there?
When Massimiliano Allegri was told to leave the Bianconeri in the summer of 2019, he had made it very clear this Juve team needed a revolution. With that, he meant that some players needed to be moved on and fresh faces brought in to make sure that they don’t stagnate. The five or six-year cycle was coming to an end and Allegri had foreseen all of it well before anyone else could.
The signing of Cristiano Ronaldo was a clear suggestion of their move towards the idea of becoming a superclub like Real Madrid or Barcelona. The path towards doing that would only have been trodden if Juve had won the Champions League and hadn’t lost two finals under Allegri himself. Ronaldo’s signing showed Juve weren’t satisfied with being the Champions of Italy anymore. They wanted a lot more.
The problem with success is that nobody has one correct recipe and one gets the feeling there is a lack of unified vision at Juventus. It’s no secret Allegri was pushed out by Fabio Paratici and Pavel Nedved, while Agnelli was never that convinced by the idea of Sarri. This power struggle is not helping anyone, and most of the positives from this season came about by accident rather than by design. This club tried so hard to off-load Paulo Dybala and he ended up being the MVP in all of Serie A. Deadwood like Blaise Matuidi and Gonzalo Higuain remained, Mario Mandzukic and Emre Can were moved on, while Adrien Rabiot and Aaron Ramsey were just the latest in a selection of players Juve seemingly signed just because they were free agents.
Why bring in a coach like Sarri, who is known for his very specific style of football, and then not give him the players suited to it? Rodrigo Bentancur and Dybala emerged as bright lights largely because of their dynamic nature, but his football is all about moving the ball quickly. If they don’t do that, they become painfully predictable, as we saw much of the time at Chelsea. Teams found it easy to sit deeper and restrict them to playing sideways passes - as was evident in the Coppa Italia final against Napoli.
There was always a drabness about this side, a totally different feeling to his Napoli team. The two performances against Lyon saw a similar pattern emerge. Even during desperate situations, the Bianconeri resorted to playing it short and passing it sideways. The players could never open up the opposition and it went directly against the idea of what Agnelli wanted in a superclub.
There are claims that Sarri lost parts of the dressing room because of faults of his own. At the same time, one should ask what Juve really had in mind when they hired Sarri? They wanted to become a superclub overnight under a manager who needs time to make the team his own, especially when a ‘revolution’ was needed and never came. Paratici and co never knew what Sarri brought to the table and how to make it work for him.
The players were also visibly just going through the motions a lot of the time, not really believing in his vision or that it would work for them. We saw similar performances at Chelsea, stars who knew they could just bide their time and wait for the coach to get fired, because it’s easier to remove a tactician than half the squad.
Sarri saw Champions League success and the Scudetto as a ‘dream’ and not something which was the minimum desired expectation. That is something Juve never considered in their unflinching thirst to reach the Real Madrid level. Pirlo brings huge experience of winning the Champions League and he was part of the Milan team that became a superclub two decades ago. He would know that winning the Champions League has become a requirement at Juve. He will absolutely understand that demand more than Sarri did, especially as he was in one of those lost Finals in 2015. He felt it first-hand.
Pirlo comes across as a much more marketable appointment. Sarri is seen as that no-nonsense, tactically obsessed man who smokes and swears too much, not a glittering superstar who has his own T-Shirt slogans. Pirlo could get players back on his side, but doubts remain about what he offers tactically. The fact that it had barely been time since he was appointed the Under-23s manager shows how unplanned things have been at a boardroom level for Juve. Things may or may not work out for Pirlo, but the Juve board hasn’t done enough to suggest that they can take the Old Lady to a superclub level.


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rainhard

Senior Member
May 5, 2004
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All the move Paratici does I think is money driven, players that he can move only the one that still valued by other team
Including loan out Romero and Pellegrini (probably to saving their wages beside give them experience)

I think Allegri in his last season want improvement in all area to strengthen and replenish the squad (new enthusiasm)
But he got boost only in Ronaldo, that is strategic buying by board to improve the club in and off the field. Lost in QF is below the target by Agnelli
The same happen with Sarri, instead of buying the players that he need, we buy De Ligt. Which is a great acqusition for future. But not helping the team overall to play like what Sarri want, so he failed lost in 16th round is failure, then sacked. What really ridiculous is Allegri still in our payroll, Sarri get high compensation
I really hope Sarri getting a job at another team, dont really care how. but at least if that is the case, I think we dont need to pay compensation/ lower the compensation ? (cmiiw)

Appointing Pirlo, he have experience as players, legendary midfielder for Italy but at the same time it really prove we are really tight in money (excess of covid)
As we don't know how he fare, but I believe he will show something like with Lampard at Chelsea or Arteta in Arsenal minimum, especially with Agnelli believe in him

All the jobs that should have done in 2 years (refreshing and rejuvenate the squad) at least gradually, must be done by Paratici this year
We are club of stature Real Madrid and Barcelona, with our 38 title in domestic.So if Spain have el classico, Italy have derby d'italia
But we are really let down by our income, Serie A money is not as much as EPL or La Liga

The other thing is we rely on some players with high wages, but not attracted by other clubs made us stuck with them for years
The move of Rabiot and Ramsey, I think have the model of Emre Can future in Paratici books. Free, 10m/year then sell for 20m profit rinse repeat
 

duranfj

Senior Member
Jul 30, 2015
8,765
Are the Agnelli's playing Mafia with us? Are we inside a reality show? WTH is happenning with my Juve?

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If they are out, Juve isn't a focus area for them anymore... as simple as that
 

Hust

Senior Member
Hustini
May 29, 2005
93,347
Juventus are demanding, not dreaming
At least Juventus have finally admitted their ambitions out loud, but Kaustubh Pandey wonders if Pirlo is the man to make them a superclub.



Juventus desperately want to be seen as a superclub on the level of Real Madrid or Barcelona, to lift the Champions League and end that two-decade curse. At least President Andrea Agnelli admitted as much this time when sacking Maurizio Sarri, declaring out loud once and for all that no, the Scudetto is not the main objective of the season and European glory is not a dream. It is a target. Having said that, is Pirlo really the man to take them there?
When Massimiliano Allegri was told to leave the Bianconeri in the summer of 2019, he had made it very clear this Juve team needed a revolution. With that, he meant that some players needed to be moved on and fresh faces brought in to make sure that they don’t stagnate. The five or six-year cycle was coming to an end and Allegri had foreseen all of it well before anyone else could.
The signing of Cristiano Ronaldo was a clear suggestion of their move towards the idea of becoming a superclub like Real Madrid or Barcelona. The path towards doing that would only have been trodden if Juve had won the Champions League and hadn’t lost two finals under Allegri himself. Ronaldo’s signing showed Juve weren’t satisfied with being the Champions of Italy anymore. They wanted a lot more.
The problem with success is that nobody has one correct recipe and one gets the feeling there is a lack of unified vision at Juventus. It’s no secret Allegri was pushed out by Fabio Paratici and Pavel Nedved, while Agnelli was never that convinced by the idea of Sarri. This power struggle is not helping anyone, and most of the positives from this season came about by accident rather than by design. This club tried so hard to off-load Paulo Dybala and he ended up being the MVP in all of Serie A. Deadwood like Blaise Matuidi and Gonzalo Higuain remained, Mario Mandzukic and Emre Can were moved on, while Adrien Rabiot and Aaron Ramsey were just the latest in a selection of players Juve seemingly signed just because they were free agents.
Why bring in a coach like Sarri, who is known for his very specific style of football, and then not give him the players suited to it? Rodrigo Bentancur and Dybala emerged as bright lights largely because of their dynamic nature, but his football is all about moving the ball quickly. If they don’t do that, they become painfully predictable, as we saw much of the time at Chelsea. Teams found it easy to sit deeper and restrict them to playing sideways passes - as was evident in the Coppa Italia final against Napoli.
There was always a drabness about this side, a totally different feeling to his Napoli team. The two performances against Lyon saw a similar pattern emerge. Even during desperate situations, the Bianconeri resorted to playing it short and passing it sideways. The players could never open up the opposition and it went directly against the idea of what Agnelli wanted in a superclub.
There are claims that Sarri lost parts of the dressing room because of faults of his own. At the same time, one should ask what Juve really had in mind when they hired Sarri? They wanted to become a superclub overnight under a manager who needs time to make the team his own, especially when a ‘revolution’ was needed and never came. Paratici and co never knew what Sarri brought to the table and how to make it work for him.
The players were also visibly just going through the motions a lot of the time, not really believing in his vision or that it would work for them. We saw similar performances at Chelsea, stars who knew they could just bide their time and wait for the coach to get fired, because it’s easier to remove a tactician than half the squad.
Sarri saw Champions League success and the Scudetto as a ‘dream’ and not something which was the minimum desired expectation. That is something Juve never considered in their unflinching thirst to reach the Real Madrid level. Pirlo brings huge experience of winning the Champions League and he was part of the Milan team that became a superclub two decades ago. He would know that winning the Champions League has become a requirement at Juve. He will absolutely understand that demand more than Sarri did, especially as he was in one of those lost Finals in 2015. He felt it first-hand.
Pirlo comes across as a much more marketable appointment. Sarri is seen as that no-nonsense, tactically obsessed man who smokes and swears too much, not a glittering superstar who has his own T-Shirt slogans. Pirlo could get players back on his side, but doubts remain about what he offers tactically. The fact that it had barely been time since he was appointed the Under-23s manager shows how unplanned things have been at a boardroom level for Juve. Things may or may not work out for Pirlo, but the Juve board hasn’t done enough to suggest that they can take the Old Lady to a superclub level.
 

Bianconero81

Ageing Veteran
Jan 26, 2009
39,169
Juventus are demanding, not dreaming
At least Juventus have finally admitted their ambitions out loud, but Kaustubh Pandey wonders if Pirlo is the man to make them a superclub.

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Juventus desperately want to be seen as a superclub on the level of Real Madrid or Barcelona, to lift the Champions League and end that two-decade curse. At least President Andrea Agnelli admitted as much this time when sacking Maurizio Sarri, declaring out loud once and for all that no, the Scudetto is not the main objective of the season and European glory is not a dream. It is a target. Having said that, is Pirlo really the man to take them there?
When Massimiliano Allegri was told to leave the Bianconeri in the summer of 2019, he had made it very clear this Juve team needed a revolution. With that, he meant that some players needed to be moved on and fresh faces brought in to make sure that they don’t stagnate. The five or six-year cycle was coming to an end and Allegri had foreseen all of it well before anyone else could.
The signing of Cristiano Ronaldo was a clear suggestion of their move towards the idea of becoming a superclub like Real Madrid or Barcelona. The path towards doing that would only have been trodden if Juve had won the Champions League and hadn’t lost two finals under Allegri himself. Ronaldo’s signing showed Juve weren’t satisfied with being the Champions of Italy anymore. They wanted a lot more.
The problem with success is that nobody has one correct recipe and one gets the feeling there is a lack of unified vision at Juventus. It’s no secret Allegri was pushed out by Fabio Paratici and Pavel Nedved, while Agnelli was never that convinced by the idea of Sarri. This power struggle is not helping anyone, and most of the positives from this season came about by accident rather than by design. This club tried so hard to off-load Paulo Dybala and he ended up being the MVP in all of Serie A. Deadwood like Blaise Matuidi and Gonzalo Higuain remained, Mario Mandzukic and Emre Can were moved on, while Adrien Rabiot and Aaron Ramsey were just the latest in a selection of players Juve seemingly signed just because they were free agents.
Why bring in a coach like Sarri, who is known for his very specific style of football, and then not give him the players suited to it? Rodrigo Bentancur and Dybala emerged as bright lights largely because of their dynamic nature, but his football is all about moving the ball quickly. If they don’t do that, they become painfully predictable, as we saw much of the time at Chelsea. Teams found it easy to sit deeper and restrict them to playing sideways passes - as was evident in the Coppa Italia final against Napoli.
There was always a drabness about this side, a totally different feeling to his Napoli team. The two performances against Lyon saw a similar pattern emerge. Even during desperate situations, the Bianconeri resorted to playing it short and passing it sideways. The players could never open up the opposition and it went directly against the idea of what Agnelli wanted in a superclub.
There are claims that Sarri lost parts of the dressing room because of faults of his own. At the same time, one should ask what Juve really had in mind when they hired Sarri? They wanted to become a superclub overnight under a manager who needs time to make the team his own, especially when a ‘revolution’ was needed and never came. Paratici and co never knew what Sarri brought to the table and how to make it work for him.
The players were also visibly just going through the motions a lot of the time, not really believing in his vision or that it would work for them. We saw similar performances at Chelsea, stars who knew they could just bide their time and wait for the coach to get fired, because it’s easier to remove a tactician than half the squad.
Sarri saw Champions League success and the Scudetto as a ‘dream’ and not something which was the minimum desired expectation. That is something Juve never considered in their unflinching thirst to reach the Real Madrid level. Pirlo brings huge experience of winning the Champions League and he was part of the Milan team that became a superclub two decades ago. He would know that winning the Champions League has become a requirement at Juve. He will absolutely understand that demand more than Sarri did, especially as he was in one of those lost Finals in 2015. He felt it first-hand.
Pirlo comes across as a much more marketable appointment. Sarri is seen as that no-nonsense, tactically obsessed man who smokes and swears too much, not a glittering superstar who has his own T-Shirt slogans. Pirlo could get players back on his side, but doubts remain about what he offers tactically. The fact that it had barely been time since he was appointed the Under-23s manager shows how unplanned things have been at a boardroom level for Juve. Things may or may not work out for Pirlo, but the Juve board hasn’t done enough to suggest that they can take the Old Lady to a superclub level
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campionesidd

Senior Member
Mar 16, 2013
15,238
All the move Paratici does I think is money driven, players that he can move only the one that still valued by other team
Including loan out Romero and Pellegrini (probably to saving their wages beside give them experience)

I think Allegri in his last season want improvement in all area to strengthen and replenish the squad (new enthusiasm)
But he got boost only in Ronaldo, that is strategic buying by board to improve the club in and off the field. Lost in QF is below the target by Agnelli
The same happen with Sarri, instead of buying the players that he need, we buy De Ligt. Which is a great acqusition for future. But not helping the team overall to play like what Sarri want, so he failed lost in 16th round is failure, then sacked. What really ridiculous is Allegri still in our payroll, Sarri get high compensation
I really hope Sarri getting a job at another team, dont really care how. but at least if that is the case, I think we dont need to pay compensation/ lower the compensation ? (cmiiw)

Appointing Pirlo, he have experience as players, legendary midfielder for Italy but at the same time it really prove we are really tight in money (excess of covid)
As we don't know how he fare, but I believe he will show something like with Lampard at Chelsea or Arteta in Arsenal minimum, especially with Agnelli believe in him

All the jobs that should have done in 2 years (refreshing and rejuvenate the squad) at least gradually, must be done by Paratici this year
We are club of stature Real Madrid and Barcelona, with our 38 title in domestic.So if Spain have el classico, Italy have derby d'italia
But we are really let down by our income, Serie A money is not as much as EPL or La Liga

The other thing is we rely on some players with high wages, but not attracted by other clubs made us stuck with them for years
The move of Rabiot and Ramsey, I think have the model of Emre Can future in Paratici books. Free, 10m/year then sell for 20m profit rinse repeat
The problem is, the idiot doesn’t realise we spend a ton of money on agent fees and wages, so by the time it’s time to sell them, we’ve already sunk 10s of millions of euros into them.
 

Vialli_92

Senior Member
Mar 7, 2013
6,498
Signing Ronaldo sort of doomed us. The team needed a lot of changing with a lot of old players in the team and investing so much money into Ronaldo did not allow us to do that.

I can't blame them for going for Ronaldo because his marketability is insane like no other player can bring to a team.

I guess they chose marketing over improving the team on the pitch and now it's coming back to bite us.

It will be interesting to see what Pirlo can do and who we bring in.
 

JuelzSantana

Junior Member
Sep 28, 2017
416
Signing Ronaldo sort of doomed us. The team needed a lot of changing with a lot of old players in the team and investing so much money into Ronaldo did not allow us to do that.

I can't blame them for going for Ronaldo because his marketability is insane like no other player can bring to a team.

I guess they chose marketing over improving the team on the pitch and now it's coming back to bite us.

It will be interesting to see what Pirlo can do and who we bring in.
It has nothing to do with Ronaldo, he’s done his job on and off the pitch. Dude just had the highest scoring Juve season of all time.

As someone mentioned in the CR thread, the fall of this club was the Khedira, Deschi, Danilo, Ramsey, Rugani, Bonucci, Higuain, Matuidi, De Sciglio type players. Most of them here on fat contracts way before CR.

Our scouting, medical department, recruitment, coaching, leadership, squad depth, contract negotiations and much more were really poor. The club is the issue, not CR. Actually he is part of the solution, if they listened more to him we wouldn’t be in this position.
 

j0ker

Capo di tutti capi
Jan 5, 2006
22,841
Signing Ronaldo sort of doomed us. The team needed a lot of changing with a lot of old players in the team and investing so much money into Ronaldo did not allow us to do that.

I can't blame them for going for Ronaldo because his marketability is insane like no other player can bring to a team.

I guess they chose marketing over improving the team on the pitch and now it's coming back to bite us.

It will be interesting to see what Pirlo can do and who we bring in.
We invested over 100mln just last year on players. What are you talking about?
 

Siamak

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Aug 13, 2013
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Meanwhile, Andrea Agnelli, president of Italian soccer club Juventus and a member of the Agnelli-Elkann family, will be the second board member representing FCA in Stellantis.
The only two current members of FCA's board that have been appointed to the combined company are Elkann, head of FCA parent company Exor; and Andrea Agnelli, Elkann's cousin and a member of the family that controls FCA. Agnelli also is president of the Italian soccer club Juventus.
https://www.detroitnews.com/story/b...tis-board-after-merger-groupe-psa/3571569001/

https://www.carscoops.com/2020/09/fca-ceo-mike-manley-excluded-from-stellantis-board/
 

Juve_fanatic

Second coolest member!
Apr 5, 2006
7,561
Lately ive been feeling so sorry for AA in regards to the Corona virus and the diffixult challenges that AA is facing at the moment while running his businesses. Must be so frustrating.
 

DAiDEViL

Senior Member
Feb 21, 2015
62,568
Lately ive been feeling so sorry for AA in regards to the Corona virus and the diffixult challenges that AA is facing at the moment while running his businesses. Must be so frustrating.
Like for any other average guy running a business these days, except that AA is one of the most loaded dudes in italy.
 

Juve_fanatic

Second coolest member!
Apr 5, 2006
7,561
Like for any other average guy running a business these days, except that AA is one of the most loaded dudes in italy.
Exactly, i was going from the experience of working with average businessman and i put that in a larger picture qith a guys as successful as AA and as loaded. The effects are pretty much the same but in different proportions. No matter how loaded AA is, a crisis is a crisis and it hits people almost equally. I feel sorry for AA and Juventus as a business in general.
 

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