Only crazy people like Hist would take Higuain or Icardi over Morata. But he always underrates Juve players.
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Only crazy people like Hist would take Higuain or Icardi over Morata. But he always underrates Juve players.
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Icardi doesn't play on the big stage because he is an Inter player. It is very unfair to say that he only scores in meaningless games or against small teams. He has been scoring consistently against us even before he ever joined Inter. He is generally a big game player in Serie A. I think he will do very well if he gets a chance in the CL on that basis. Whether he'll be as good as morata in the CL is an open question until that happens but his Serie A record indicates that its plausible to think he will be very good in Europe too.
Icardi and morata both play in Serie A regardless of how easy or difficult you think it is and the latter plays for the much superior team. If it was so easy then why isn't morata score as many goals? why didn't Tevez?
Last season Icardi completely outperformed morata in Serie A regardless of its quality.
We are yet to see what happens with Icardi in the CL.
Icardi and morata both play in Serie A regardless of how easy or difficult you think it is and the latter plays for the much superior team. If it was so easy then why isn't morata score as many goals? why didn't Tevez?
Last season Icardi completely outperformed morata in Serie A regardless of its quality.
We are yet to see what happens with Icardi in the CL.
Not unfair at all. As I said. Icardi performs against the minnows. Some forwards are fantastic in the minor matches, and never do well against big teams. Hence the reason they often spend their careers at mid table clubs, or flop when they play for a big club.
You completely ignored the fact that Icardi choked big time in the Europa League knockout stages with 0 goals in 4 matches, while Morata dominated them with 5 goals and an assist in 7 matches.
So yes, Icardi has already shown he chokes in Europe. There isn't really any question that Morata>Icardi in Europe as evidenced again today.
Aside from this, Morata offers better workrate, better pace, more versatility, far more defensively, and is a better passer. All Icardi has on Morata is finishing. That's it. And again, Morata is far more clutch. 5 goals in 7 CL knockouts, to 0 in 4 Europa knockouts for Icardi. Plus Icardi scored only 4 times against the top 6 teams in Serie A last year. 12 matches. Not a big game player at all. That's 4 goals in the 16 most important matches of Inter's season.
Not even a debate. You go way too far with trying to be objective in praising other teams' players and underrating our own.
You completely ignored the fact that Icardi choked big time in the Europa League knockout stages with 0 goals in 4 matches, while Morata dominated them with 5 goals and an assist in 7 matches.
So yes, Icardi has already shown he chokes in Europe. There isn't really any question that Morata>Icardi in Europe as evidenced again today.
Aside from this, Morata offers better workrate, better pace, more versatility, far more defensively, and is a better passer. All Icardi has on Morata is finishing. That's it. And again, Morata is far more clutch. 5 goals in 7 CL knockouts, to 0 in 4 Europa knockouts for Icardi. Plus Icardi scored only 4 times against the top 6 teams in Serie A last year. 12 matches. Not a big game player at all. That's 4 goals in the 16 most important matches of Inter's season.
Not even a debate. You go way too far with trying to be objective in praising other teams' players and underrating our own.
Looks much more impressive if you just look at the games he played in our shirt though:
13 apps (829 minutes)
6 goals
Dortmund (2)
Real Madrid (2)
Barcelona
Man City
One goal every 138 minutes.
Bascially was the player to get us past Monaco & Real on the offensive end last year, contributed massively against Dortmund and scored in the final.
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Honestly I'd rate them about the same.
Even though Icardi is easily among the most hateable players in the world right now.
13 apps (829 minutes)
6 goals
Dortmund (2)
Real Madrid (2)
Barcelona
Man City
One goal every 138 minutes.
Bascially was the player to get us past Monaco & Real on the offensive end last year, contributed massively against Dortmund and scored in the final.
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Honestly I'd rate them about the same.
Even though Icardi is easily among the most hateable players in the world right now.
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I'd rate them about the same too. It's only hearing a Juventus fan like Hist saying Icardi is "much more proven" and "a better performer", that makes me laugh. It's ridiculous. Morata holds the trump card by far, in that he's scored 6 goals in his last 8 CL games, and has a vastly superior all-around game. I still say Icardi's goal-scoring prowess means the two are very close, but for someone to say Icardi is better and much more proven is pretty absurd. Champion's League is the biggest stage there is, and only 1 of the 2 has even scored there, let alone scored in 2 Semi-finals and a final.
Take today's match for example. Morata scored. But he also won 5 aerials duals (led the team), had 4 tackles (2nd on the team), had 1 interception, and 1 clearance. Icardi never does that stuff. He's a pure goalscorer. A good one, sure. But Morata more than makes up for that with all he offers aside from scoring.
Take today's match for example. Morata scored. But he also won 5 aerials duals (led the team), had 4 tackles (2nd on the team), had 1 interception, and 1 clearance. Icardi never does that stuff. He's a pure goalscorer. A good one, sure. But Morata more than makes up for that with all he offers aside from scoring.
Morata is more well-rounded I accept that. I also accept that they are close to each other though I still maintain that Icardi has the upper hand because I rate goal scoring ability higher than effort. I don't take Europa league seriously and neither do Inter. There is also the factor of the team pulling him back the same way Tevez was ineffective in his first season with us in the CL (and throughout his city career).
Despite the massive difference in squad qualities last season, Icardi outscored tevez (let alone morata) again scoring in many very big games. He has been doing so especially against us since he was at Sampdoria. You simply can't fairly call him a big game choker in Serie A.
Morata already proved that he has nerves of steel. Since last season I've been saying he could develop into a player like Higuain but with nerves of steel (Higuain is a choker). Its his best quality and was one of the biggest problems for Juve especially in Europe.
Despite the massive difference in squad qualities last season, Icardi outscored tevez (let alone morata) again scoring in many very big games. He has been doing so especially against us since he was at Sampdoria. You simply can't fairly call him a big game choker in Serie A.
Morata already proved that he has nerves of steel. Since last season I've been saying he could develop into a player like Higuain but with nerves of steel (Higuain is a choker). Its his best quality and was one of the biggest problems for Juve especially in Europe.
What do you think of him overall?
I obviously didn't see Paolo Rossi play aside from recorded matches, but he reminds me of him in terms immensely clutch, and will score great goals for us, but I don't really see him ever becoming that consistent 30 goal/season type of player. 20 for sure, and a lot of clutch CL goals, and goals in big matches, but he just doesn't seem like a prolific league play scorer against smaller teams.
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What do you think too? You have a little thing for Rossi after the way he screwed over Brazil in 82.
I obviously didn't see Paolo Rossi play aside from recorded matches, but he reminds me of him in terms immensely clutch, and will score great goals for us, but I don't really see him ever becoming that consistent 30 goal/season type of player. 20 for sure, and a lot of clutch CL goals, and goals in big matches, but he just doesn't seem like a prolific league play scorer against smaller teams.
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What do you think too? You have a little thing for Rossi after the way he screwed over Brazil in 82.
But no, Thought he was fantastic. Italy was the better collective team, Brazil the individuals. Collectivity and clinicality won, and well deserved I must say. But Morata does seem like that kind of striker, he isn't extraordinary technical (neither was Rossi) even for a 9, but is clever enough and has an excellent finishing to top that off. He's like a super hero, always there when we most need him.
I can't believe there's people even comparing Icardi and Morata.
Icardi is a poacher, he doesn't contribute with anything but scoring - and he's very good at it.
But Morata is not only clinical and scores constantly, but he is much more complete, he is much more technical, fast, creates chances all the time, can counter. He's a complete CF, another kind of player, and a better one.
About his performance, he was having a horrendous performance, specially on the 2nd half. It was unbearable. He was missing absolutely everything he tried, he was fucking up attacks constantly, I'd have replaced him at the 60th mark.
But Allegri let him in and look what he did. The kid is huge, he's the top prospect CF in the world, and actually already one of the best right now.
But him playing as a LW concerns me. It's not ideal, we shouldn't waste his huge talent. Ideally, he should play as a CF, along with Dybala and Cuadrado. If all 3 can understand each other and Dybala is capable of defending, this should be starting trio, even though Mandzukic had a hell of a game last night.
But honestly, I'm afraid Morata may struggle hard if he plays as a LW as his established position. He's very good at dropping to that position sometimes in the game, but he should be a CF as his main role.
Icardi is a poacher, he doesn't contribute with anything but scoring - and he's very good at it.
But Morata is not only clinical and scores constantly, but he is much more complete, he is much more technical, fast, creates chances all the time, can counter. He's a complete CF, another kind of player, and a better one.
About his performance, he was having a horrendous performance, specially on the 2nd half. It was unbearable. He was missing absolutely everything he tried, he was fucking up attacks constantly, I'd have replaced him at the 60th mark.
But Allegri let him in and look what he did. The kid is huge, he's the top prospect CF in the world, and actually already one of the best right now.
But him playing as a LW concerns me. It's not ideal, we shouldn't waste his huge talent. Ideally, he should play as a CF, along with Dybala and Cuadrado. If all 3 can understand each other and Dybala is capable of defending, this should be starting trio, even though Mandzukic had a hell of a game last night.
But honestly, I'm afraid Morata may struggle hard if he plays as a LW as his established position. He's very good at dropping to that position sometimes in the game, but he should be a CF as his main role.
Folks really need to stop worrying about where Allegri plays him. Look where he scored from: Started the game as a LW but scored from the RW spot with a brilliant left foot effort.
If he really is the top CF prospect in the world he will find a way to score goals...like yesterday. We can't be all bent out of shape because some players play slightly out of position when in order to incorporate other great players (Cuadrado, for example) you need to reshuffle the system while trying to get as much good from each player individually rather than the max from one player and hope others catch up.
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Also, nothing is stopping the front 3 from switching during game play to create headaches for defenders. Its annoying for a defender or backline to keep track of an attack that is always overlapping or switching. Add to that ones that can actually score consistently like the ones we have and you have a mess for a defense. @Post Ironic
If he really is the top CF prospect in the world he will find a way to score goals...like yesterday. We can't be all bent out of shape because some players play slightly out of position when in order to incorporate other great players (Cuadrado, for example) you need to reshuffle the system while trying to get as much good from each player individually rather than the max from one player and hope others catch up.
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Also, nothing is stopping the front 3 from switching during game play to create headaches for defenders. Its annoying for a defender or backline to keep track of an attack that is always overlapping or switching. Add to that ones that can actually score consistently like the ones we have and you have a mess for a defense. @Post Ironic
It's just it seems to me that Morata is a better CF than Mandzukic. Dybala would have to fit in some sort of roaming position, since he also isn't a LW.
But Mandzukic can't really derive to LW while Morata goes to CF. Mandzukic can only play one position. On the other hand, Morata, Dybala and Cuadrado could switch constantly.
It just makes our team better if Morata is played at the right position.
But Mandzukic can't really derive to LW while Morata goes to CF. Mandzukic can only play one position. On the other hand, Morata, Dybala and Cuadrado could switch constantly.
It just makes our team better if Morata is played at the right position.
IMO Dybala would be the one to set up those chances for the other two on a silver platter with the key passes. The tricky part is getting Cuadrado in there.
Like I said yesterday - this creates a massive selection headache for Allegri, which is a great thing for a coach to have IMO. Add Zaza to that too.
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That finish.
Like I said yesterday - this creates a massive selection headache for Allegri, which is a great thing for a coach to have IMO. Add Zaza to that too.
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That finish.
If you noticed, even after Dybala came on, Morata remained as the "LWF", and Dybala occupied Mandzu's spot as a bit of a false 9. And in the spell they were on together the two interchanged positions several times, even leading to Morata being over to the right edge of the penalty box when he took his goal.
I love this. Everyone rants and raves about Barca's attack, and Madrid's attack, and those teams have the same deal going on often. Messi-Suarez-Neymar fluidly interchange positions frequently, or load up one side, or the centre when it benefits them. As do Bale-Benzema-Ronaldo. I've seen Bale all the way on the left touchline before, making runs with the ball.
A front 3 of either Cuadrado-Mandzu-Morata or Cuadrado-Dybala-Morata would be brilliant. Dybala and Morata will frequently be drifting in and out of the centre. It will be like having a False 9 and a Wide 9. The amount of pace, dribbling, ball-skill in that second incarnation with Dybala would be immense. If Morata and Dybala keep developing into top/world class players, we could be looking at one of the best attacks in the world with those 3.... And then think about adding Berardi to the mix.
+ The other funny bit on that goal is all 3 of our attackers are on the right side. If you look at the video Dybala is trailing in from behind on the right. People get way to caught up with this idea that if Morata or Dybala is on the wing it will waste them because they'll have to remain wide all match. It's simply not the case, and never will be. Morata will be asked to defend the left side, but by no means will he be restricted to it going forward as evidenced by the match.
Even the disallowed goal by Pogba, Morata was literally dead centre of the pitch, playing like a #9 trying to beat the offside trap (miserably I might add 
)... I actually think the position suits him quite well. Once he's back in top shape and form, after missing the preseason again, I think people are going to be very surprised with how well he plays from the left side. Assuming we use this formation at times.
)... I actually think the position suits him quite well. Once he's back in top shape and form, after missing the preseason again, I think people are going to be very surprised with how well he plays from the left side. Assuming we use this formation at times.