Alexis Sánchez - Barcelona - ST (41 Viewers)

[Nzoric]

I think a loan + option is perfectly reasonable in this particular case given how he hasn't performed to expectations at all.

No no, ypu have to understand that we need to pay 30m for him. If we dont spend that kind of money on players,theyre not good. Llorente is the case in point here. The members who now want something better, a 30m player, wanted us to break the bank for Llorente and wouldve considered him a top signing had we overpaid for him.

 

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[Deep C]

Hey, if something is expensive that automatically makes it good. Like those shoes my gf recently bought.

 

[alexjuventino]

I think Barca would accept a loan deal

 

[Nzoric]

Hey, if something is expensive that automatically makes it good. Like those shoes my gf recently bought.

Exactly. You only have to consider our post calciopoli experiences with 'just breaking the bank and getting the top players' to conclude that its an automatic success once you go over 25m.

 

[Bianconero81]

You guys are taking it way too far. No one is saying we should just pay whatever, but when dealing with a club like Barca, it's not like dealing with Udinese or Atalanta ffs! Barca most probably don't need the money, and Sanchez might not even want to leave. Hence, if we offer a loan + option to buy, even if he was considering leaving, he might think we aren't that serious about him, and don't really value/trust him enough to make the deal permanent, which might potentially deter him. Oh, and I forgot to mention that there might be other clubs lurking, so we shouldn't try to be cheap on this deal.

Sanchez may not be a "top player" but he is definitely someone that we need, and would do well to bring here.

 

[LiquidPLP]

Let's hope we have some plan B offer for Barca if they refuse to loan. Sanchez would improve our team significantly.

 

[alexjuventino]

I doubt Sanchez would want to leave Barca, however we can offer him continuity and playing time. We dont have to make it evident that we need a striker. If he will come its because he knows he will play. A loan is an option that Marotta will continue to use and in a way its good with some players to try them out.

 

[Nzoric]

You guys are taking it way too far. No one is saying we should just pay whatever, but when dealing with a club like Barca, it's not like dealing with Udinese or Atalanta ffs! Barca most probably don't need the money, and Sanchez might not even want to leave. Hence, if we offer a loan + option to buy, even if he was considering leaving, he might think we aren't that serious about him, and don't really value/trust him enough to make the deal permanent, which might potentially deter him. Oh, and I forgot to mention that there might be other clubs lurking, so we shouldn't try to be cheap on this deal.

Sanchez may not be a "top player" but he is definitely someone that we need, and would do well to bring here.

So the conclusion stands, we should just break the bank for him?

 

[Buck Fuddy]

All this buy now pay later policy crap has to stop when it comes to buying top players. It's not like we're purchasing a sodding laptop computer. At this rate we'll lose out on these type of players. Cos I cannot see Barca wanting €5m or what ever the proposed opening offer + loan deal were offering.

We should break the bank for a top forward and the loan-co owner crap can be done else where to be strengthened in other areas. Have some balls. We seriously can't be that much hard up surely.

No need to wonder why the world economy is in the crapper: just pay! Doesn't matter if you can afford it or not.

No no, ypu have to understand that we need to pay 30m for him. If we dont spend that kind of money on players,theyre not good. Llorente is the case in point here. The members who now want something better, a 30m player, wanted us to break the bank for Llorente and wouldve considered him a top signing had we overpaid for him.

I've noticed this as well.

A while ago, people were going crazy about the potential signing of Llorente: he was just what we needed, he was great, he alone would strengthen us enough, must buy, just give whatever money Bilbao asks, etc.
Now that we will not pay a transfer sum for him: he's not good enough, we definitely need someone else, etc

With the arrival of Llorente (make no mistake: it's a big signing, probably "the" big signing) the majorty of people here got what they asked for. But that same majority now already wants a new toy, before unwrapping the previous one.
Society these days, I guess...

Sanchez may not be a "top player" but he is definitely someone that we need, and would do well to bring here.

Diego was also a player we "needed".

 

[Nzoric]

I've noticed this as well.

A while ago, people were going crazy about the potential signing of Llorente: he was just what we needed, he was great, he alone would strengthen us enough, must buy, just give whatever money Bilbao asks, etc.
Now that we will not pay a transfer sum for him: he's not good enough, we definitely need someone else, etc

With the arrival of Llorente (make no mistake: it's a big signing, probably "the" big signing) the majorty of people here got what they asked for. But that same majority now already wants a new toy, before unwrapping the previous one.
Society these days, I guess...

I'm excited to see Llorente in attack. He's not a member of the top class forwards (Ibra, Falcao, Cavani, RVP etc) but he's definitely in the next best category. Will be a major upgrade to our forward line and has the individual quality to influence games on his own rather than being spoon fed every goal from our midfield. Something that none of our other strikers can do at the moment. Vucinic can create a goal out of nothing, but rarely just bags one when it's not expected.

edit: We should definitely try to get Sanchez on our terms, but he hasn't shown a form worthy of his price tag for the last year and it would be absolute nonsense to purchase him straight out for that amount.

 

[Gep]

No need to wonder why the world economy is in the crapper: just pay! Doesn't matter if you can afford it.

I'm talking just on our lack of forward quality. It's a one off. I'm not saying just pay on every transfer we do but with the amount of good forwards being "so called" available these days, unlike other years we've gotta invest. Or we'll remain how we are.

 

[Nzoric]

What constitutes being "available" ? And what good forwards are "available" ?

They're all available if you pay.

 

[Robee]

If you don't get it, then don't rant about it. If we get him on loan, Barca has him on their books for onz more year and can write off his value for one more year, which makes the selling (a year later) a better deal from a book keeping point of view, since it lowers Sachez' value for Barca but they sell him at the same price... Book keeping is getting more and more important in soccer everyday... See the Ibra deal between Barca & Milan...

 

[Tommy]

Ain't gonna happen.

 

[Alen]

If you don't get it, then don't rant about it. If we get him on loan, Barca has him on their books for onz more year and can write off his value for one more year, which makes the selling (a year later) a better deal from a book keeping point of view, since it lowers Sachez' value for Barca but they sell him at the same price... Book keeping is getting more and more important in soccer everyday... See the Ibra deal between Barca & Milan...

And the buying club spreads the payment.

 

[Cheesio]

The report say that the offer is a loan and option to buy for 20 mil paid in 2 installements, so in essence it's the same as buying him this summer and spreading the paiement on 3 installements.
I think it's not a matter of spreading the paiement more of testing Sanchez.

 

[Buck Fuddy]

I'm excited to see Llorente in attack. He's not a member of the top class forwards (Ibra, Falcao, Cavani, RVP etc) but he's definitely in the next best category. Will be a major upgrade to our forward line and has the individual quality to influence games on his own rather than being spoon fed every goal from our midfield. Something that none of our other strikers can do at the moment. Vucinic can create a goal out of nothing, but rarely just bags one when it's not expected.

See, I personally don't really know Llorente that well, so he's somewhat of a question mark to me. As he has been from the first moment his name popped up.

I'm talking just on our lack of forward quality. It's a one off. I'm not saying just pay on every transfer we do but with the amount of good forwards being "so called" available these days, unlike other years we've gotta invest. Or we'll remain how we are.

Thing is, it's always a one off. And a year later (if not sooner), there's a new pressing need that needs another one off. And so on.

Besides, a single one off can screw you for years to come.

If you don't get it, then don't rant about it. If we get him on loan, Barca has him on their books for onz more year and can write off his value for one more year, which makes the selling (a year later) a better deal from a book keeping point of view, since it lowers Sachez' value for Barca but they sell him at the same price... Book keeping is getting more and more important in soccer everyday... See the Ibra deal between Barca & Milan...

 

[baggio]

Unfortunately, such deals rarely go through once you breach the 20m mark. Such a player tends to be a valuable commodity for the selling club, in terms of a return on investment. If another wants their player on loan, they risk lowering his value and therefore it can become a dicey proposition, it's a great deal for the buying club because most terms are in their favour with a negligible down payment. The only way this deal could go through is, if Juve are offering a commitment to buy the player. An obligation as we call it, and maybe, just maybe, it's because we want to spend outright on Zlatan. I know it's a very optimistic viewpoint but I wouldn't say it's impossible. Sanchez for 5m this season and Zlatan outright for 12-15m with their wages at an acceptable degree, this scenario wouldn't be irrational or impossible.

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I'm excited to see Llorente in attack. He's not a member of the top class forwards (Ibra, Falcao, Cavani, RVP etc) but he's definitely in the next best category. Will be a major upgrade to our forward line and has the individual quality to influence games on his own rather than being spoon fed every goal from our midfield. Something that none of our other strikers can do at the moment. Vucinic can create a goal out of nothing, but rarely just bags one when it's not expected.

edit: We should definitely try to get Sanchez on our terms, but he hasn't shown a form worthy of his price tag for the last year and it would be absolute nonsense to purchase him straight out for that amount.

I think Llorente will be a bigger question mark in attack than Sanchez or an Ibra. given his lack of game time this season and the fact that he's switching teams and leagues, I dot exactly see him hit the ground running. Have my doubts here.

 

[Bianconero81]

So the conclusion stands, we should just break the bank for him?

Of course not. He isn't on the level of Suarez or Aguero, but for 18-20 million, we should do it. The market dictates the price, and as I said, Barcelona aren't necessarily in need of money. Marotta is incredibly optimistic if he is hoping to get him on a loan + option to buy deal.

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Diego was also a player we "needed".

We overpaid for Diego, but he was coming off a stellar season in Germany. Nonetheless, he remains a good player, and whereas he didn't meet expectations, it wasn't entirely his fault.

 

[Buck Fuddy]

We overpaid for Diego, but he was coming off a stellar season in Germany.

Doesn't change the fact that, at the time, we "needed" him if you believed the media, many fans (on here) & even certain voices within the club. It's actually quite amazing to think back at just how much that backfired.

Nonetheless, he remains a good player, and whereas he didn't meet expectations, it wasn't entirely his fault.

I disagree. But that's beside the point.