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Ye I suppose still as you said I think it's more in his head than any thing..his body language wasn't great.

It wasn't just the finishing though...they just looked lost sometimes...missing simple passes and even not being able to control certain balls....I had never seen Trezeguet play so badly in all his time at Juve...he seemed like a Serie B player with extra weight on him.

I'm just happy Ciro has directed the team to play more and not depend on those stupid long balls Ranieri was so fond of. It is good to see Juve impose play more..This will be even more evident when Diego is back. it is looking bright..

You forgot to add a smily this time..I think you should have gone for this: :alen: Either way hilarious as usual...if only I was as quick in regurgitating other people's so called 'jokes' but alas I am not.

I noticed that too..good move considering how the keeper reacted. Actually those little stops and fakes are crucial in penalties these days.

Of course not, the discussion is centred around penalty shootouts.

There is no need seeing as I said it's pure randomness where unpredictability reins supreme in the end....I'm sure they employ some people to look at other statistics when analysing play.

Hmmm that wasn't the point....I used it to show how decision makings in penalties are done and which strategy (no strategy is the best, just unpreditability) would be the best not how to move before a pen. I'm not discussing what a keeper can do and does do before he makes his decision to move..

No..Also the point we were discussing was the safest bet in terms of movement while keeping other factors constant...of course they won't be constant in real life but to determine which is the best course when choosing whether to react or not you have to keep other factors the same....it's the...

He does....:agree:

Some good comments..I quite like some of your players. Young of course was the most impressive and your defence wasn't bad either...As for Melo I think he reminds me more of emmerson in his movements and Alonso in his passing basically I got a hard on watching him :D

You misunderstand what game theory is....it's a mathematical model to determine the likeliest outcome based on a wide ranging stategies available to opponents. It's pretty much science... I'm not disputing that having some experience would help to understand the process better but I still...

:sergio: missing the point much are we...

Game theory :sergio: The point behind reaction times and decision making is common sense...

You have to be a keeper to understand the concept of reaction times or game theory?

The point is once your opponent knows you are reacting to penalties you lose an advantage in timing...in fact their strategies become dominated because you are not simulatiounsly choosing anymore...the kicker has an advantage when making a decision because it will be made before the keeper...

How can you be predictable if you choose a random spot and throw yourself to it...you can only be predictable if you wait for the kick and slow your reaction times in relation to your movement or make it obvious where you are going to throw yourself. It is a know fact in game theory that in...

Tell that to Shilton and other keepers who tried such strategies....penalties are basically a game theory which thrive on unpredictability...if the keeper becomes predictable it is very easy to score once you figure out to just hit it at a fair angle ...Furthermore the reaction times between...

Actually the whole strategy of saving pens by reactions is stupid...however today that keeper found another player who was as idiotic in his decision making when taking the pen... No big deal anyway. We played k..when you consider 3 of our players were virtually on the bench. Created plenty...

It was a good game overall for us...I sometimes felt like we were playing with 8 players with Molinaro, Giovinco and Treze offerign nothing...in the second half IQ helped make it 7 v 11. Still we had plenty of chances and the more I see Melo play the better I feel about the team.