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Oh bless a little internet posse..:sergio:

I'm not a huge fan of either guys but to say they are terrible when they have been part of good teams as well as winning trophies cannot be ignored. If they were as bad as it is described here they would be in serie B...Some of you go overboard in trying to make your point.

:shifty: so they were overrated...part of world cup as well as winning with a team like Wolfsburg first time...in a different league...I think a correlation can be established between their worth and their wins.

He's been brilliant..whether he will do it continously is a different matter.

They both won the German League with Wolfsburg at the first time of asking..they are not bad..