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    Is torture acceptable?

    I am not saying you didn't. Clearly, you tried your best but your arguments do stand very strongly in my opinion. And on the contrary, it seems you have ignored my arguments. I have asked the same question but I never got a response, "How can subjective morality indeed be true when the very...
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    Is torture acceptable?

    It's called human intuition. You aren't getting it, buddy. Look, I'll put it this way. Genesis, the story of Adam and eve carries a symbolic meaning, a life lesson if you will. Now, as we have discussed before, it is debatable what this life lesson really is. Some see it as man's sin for...
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    Is torture acceptable?

    I think we all know deep down that there things that are really 'wrong'. Read the Bible and it will be apparent when an actual story is being told as part of a historical event that is meant to be taken literally and when a story is being told in order to portray a certain message. It's...
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    Is torture acceptable?

    I am positively sure that at the moment neither one of us knows for certain which type of morality exists in our world today(objective or subjective). Perhaps you clinging on to certain beliefs that will help you make sense of the world is just a natural part of our psychology. I know I have a...
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    Is torture acceptable?

    No, it doesn't. Not if you have the good sense to realize Genesis is not meant to be taken literally.
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    Is torture acceptable?

    Why don't you try to understand evolution before dismissing it? Look, it's not intelligible to dismiss scientific facts because they don't appeal to you. Read 'Orgin of the species' by Charles Dawkins. Remember that evolution does not conflict with religion.
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    Is torture acceptable?

    I don't think too many intelligent people use the Bible as an ethical guide per se. I think that at this point in time, through phenomenal technological advances in the media, no one should ever have an excuse for behaving immoraly, whether he is a theist or an atheist. However, things were...
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    Is torture acceptable?

    Oh, I agree with you there.
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    Is torture acceptable?

    But macroevolution is the same as microevolution except on a much larger scale. If microevolution exists, then so does macroevolution.
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    Is torture acceptable?

    I think it depends on what you have been exposed to in life. If you are an illiterate man in Africa that has never seen the Bible or even heard of God, yet was a good person, then no you would not go to hell. I think a lot depends on how much you were exposed to during your lifetime...
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    Is torture acceptable?

    So you believe in microevolution not macroevolution? You don't follow stories Martin. You deduce lessons from them.
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    Is torture acceptable?

    I think Heaven is a place where inifinite happiness, love, and virtue is provided for all who have been good people in this lifetime. Forgive me but that's a very ignorant statement to make. Some of the leading scientists in our world today are Christian, the leader of the human genome...
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    Is torture acceptable?

    Do you believe in evolution?
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    Is torture acceptable?

    This is the problem. Christians have wrongfully considered the Bible to be a speculative book rather than a pratical book. When you ask scientific questions such as 'How old is the earth?', 'How was man created?, 'When was man created?', it is utterly ridiculous to seek answers of these...
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    Is torture acceptable?

    you believe the eath is 6000 years old? and was built in 7 days? you can be a christian and not have to take these things literally. Genesis is clearly meant to be portrayed as life lessons rather than literal history.
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    Is torture acceptable?

    I was referring to my own religion, Christianity. People who are Christian do tend to be more compassionate, yes. This is at least my impression of things, of course, I could be very wrong. But since Christians believe it is morally wrong to torture children no matter what the law states as...
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    Is torture acceptable?

    Perhaps people who tend to choose religion are naturally more compassionate than atheists.
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    Is torture acceptable?

    No disrespect, but you have an annoying habbit of oversimplifying things and unjustly acting cynically towards theism. I don't know if this is due to the fact that you don't really understand what I am saying or whether you just enjoy being incredibly annoying.
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    Is torture acceptable?

    Indeed, but asking whether torture is right or wrong is rather vague, don't you think. A little rephrasing would have produced a completely different outcome. If you had asked instead, 'Is torturing someone because you are jealous of him right or wrong?' I believe all the answers would be a...
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    Is torture acceptable?

    On the flip side this can easily apply to you, even more so than myself. You want subjective morality to exist, in fact, you would go so far as to say nothing in the history of humanity is actually wrong, it's just a matter of opinion. I don't think you truly believe this, I think you are...