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I respect your optimism :tup:

@Fred

Thanks for the answer, I really appreciate it. :tup: On the other hand I completely disagree with your example with Reagan and to some extent about secular Baathist regime in Syria. The reason is the following. It looks like Erdogan is trying to bring more religion in secular life...

you don't say anything about Wahhabism, supporting fundamentalists groups and his son's actions. You're right about salafism but what about the other topics? What about this http://www.clarionproject.org/analysis/turkey-tries-cover-arming-al-qaeda

Ok, @Fred 1. Exactly. The Kurds should have an independent state. They are 20 mil and are treated pretty bad. You are not completely right about European (western) states. We all saw what happened to Yugoslavia. But on the other hand this question is debatable, because we can see the cases of...

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/turkey/12022765/Top-human-rights-lawyer-shot-dead-in-Turkeys-restive-south-east.html ...

I'm sorry, you're right. But still... Supporting Erdogan is :tdown: If someone makes you choose between two shaites you don't have to choose any one of them. I wouldn't support Hitler cause I support Palestinian independent state. You're kinda doing that by supporting a militant islamic autocrat...

It's a simple and brilliant video. That's scary. And it is scary that people like Fred, Rebel and Turk are supporting the future fascists Islamic nations. And it is scary that Russia, US and EU are only fueling the problem with their inadequate politics. I can see a new Cold War between the...

:lol: - - - Updated - - - http://www.veteranstoday.com/2015/11/27/us-general-turkey-should-be-kicked-out-of-nato/ US General: Turkey Should Be Kicked Out of NATO Erdogan the first dictator Vallely didn't love at first sight Turkey pursues its own interests in the Syrian conflict and it is...

This! But it ain't happening. Saudi Arabia is too important for USA.

Yeah, the Turkish government looks totally deluded. They don't understand that there is a huge anti islamist fervor in the West and by showing that they support a radical group they are losing support vs Russia. Turkey will be more and more isolated and there are voices to cut them from NATO...

Can you tell me what it would be the best solution to the whole crisis according to you?

What is worse for Turkey is the killings of the pilots. interesting info from 29 August

Yep, Turkey benefits a lot from ISIS. Cheap oil, Kurds are being killed, after few years new territories could be annexed to ''protect'' them and did I say that Kurds are being killed by ISIS. Best scenario for them is this to keep up for at least 5 years or so. Russia also has its interests...

Who doesn't make you sick in this conflict? There is no one to like except the refugees who are demonised by the 'scared' media.

Smells like WW3