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Touché. edit: Oh well, I'm taking a break from this for a few days.

We're not talking about the state of peoples spirituality or their spiritual standing. To say that only Muslims are able to do good or be good would extremely wrong and conceited. Islam says to learn from those that have good qualities and adopt them. Huge duh? How is it a huge duh if these...

lol, it should instruct people on how to be competent? Is that what you want? Or teach us how to distinguish between those that are and those that are not competent?

Ah..yes (if I understand your question correctly). Even though it doesn't mention elections (you're assuming it will be an elected government) but for arguments sake...how do we elect our leaders now? How have people elected leaders in the past? Is this a new concept to you? Why do you support...

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Which is exactly what the article in the other thread is about if you had bothered to read it.

:lol2: Seven Jahl.

There isn't one nor have I ever claimed that there is one :shifty:

So when people like myself and Fred as Muslims say that we don't like our governments and the fact that I show you from the Qur'an that we can have any form of government we want as long as certain requirements are met...what does that tell you? What does it tell you when thousands of Iranians...

Check my post again, I edited it.

I've already spoken about current Muslim governments about a million times...that's where you either suffer from some sort of memory loss or you have selective reading. I see you're desperately trying to make a connection between the current governments in the Islamic world with Islam overall...

:wallbang: You have a selective reading problem and memory of a gold fish. Go enjoy your :andyandbarcelona: to your own voice Seven Jahl.

Damn it, so that's why the line was busy.

I've posted this before, but here it is again: DIRECTIONS IN POLITICAL MATTERS The other major international question confronting us today is that of the determination of the form of government for a given region or country. Here, too, the guiding principles of Islam are so pertinent, weighty...

Powers that be, what ever you want to call 'em :D Absolutely.

Screw the West, I only care for Scandinavia; the best place on earth. I tell you, I hope all those that run it and live there are rewarded for their generosity in the hereafter regardless of their personal beliefs because they're champions of human rights.

Yes, minus the decadence but very much the lazy :D

Is there something you want to say? :shifty:

I will have you know that new converts are "better" Muslims than most. They follow everything to the tee and are eager learners. Those born into it are more 'relaxed' mostly. I know I can't keep up with the converts :P

Lawnchair, you really don't want me to get started so let's keep it civilized. Fred's answer will differ from mine. People have and are abandoning the teachings of Islam. Why do you think the Muslim world finds itself in such great turmoil? I'm not in a crisis of faith because I'm...