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Being dire every game makes him conistent, yes, but hardly makes him any better. Personally every time I see him play he's awful, gives the ball away, lacks any real effort, never gets the better of any leftbacks he faces and his crossing is usually appaling, mishits or scuffed along the ground...

Roberto Carlos is hardly "crap" I mean yes everyone will say he's the best when he isn't, but he's not exactly that far off either overall. Whereas camoranesi is just rubbish. Whether he's rated or not, he isn't good enough.

oh what a shock. The sooner we release him the better, overrated and bad attitude.