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Martin and I have done a fine job. You just ignored our arguments or twisted our words when it suited you.

Christianity was a sect, man.

Dude, I know who wrote the fucking bible.

It seems that every believer in this forum is this naive.

It's not a conspiracy theory. You don't see how people who wrote the bible could gain advantage from that? Hey man, if you're that naive I can't help you.

No, but it was a political movement right from the start. First it was against Rome. Then it was with Rome. Then it was with the Franks. Etc. etc. Dude, honestly, you're saying shit the Pope wouldn't even believe.

Faith is not so much about seeing the light as it is about embracing the dark.

I'll give you one word: crusades. I think the evidence of possible advantages is overwhelming ;).

Yes it does.

The Bible did have an important function in bringing structure to society. Whether or not it did a good job is a different discussion.

I'll stop right here. No need to get into a debate with yet another nutter.

Is there a point to that story?

To be frank I don't even think the Pope thinks the world was built in 7 days.

Wait a minute. You actually believe Genesis was right?

Well I have news for you son. Genesis was wrong. And we have proof of that.

The European Union for one.

In one word: no.

Perhaps. But there is no empirical proof of that whatsoever.

No, you got me all wrong, swag. I don't think it's a determinant. To me it would make little sense. But there happens to be this study which claims that people who are believers seem to condone torture faster. I don't think religion is the determinant at all, but I do think there's something...

How so? If torture doesn't even work, what possible goal could it serve?