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I'm going to read that tomorrow, Ze. But I'm too tired today. I just responded to the hands thingy, because I think you're very wrong there.

That's why I'm against mass religion in the first place. It's bound to go wrong. But if you agree with me that interpretation can be wrong, you also agree with me that states must always be secular. Because otherwise you can't predict the interpretation. Therefore the Quran cannot enter this...

You can have you religion. It's not my problem, thank God. I live in the good part of the world. People are free over here.

That's rather amusing. Great theory then :tup: You've got oppression, poverty and stupidity to show for it. We've got freedom, wealth and science. But hey, your Quran is doing a fine job :tup:

That's great. Now show me ONE example of such a democracy. It's not asking much is it? I can show you several democracies that represent my theory.

Yes, but that argument fails, Ze. I see poverty, tyrants and Islam on one side and I see wealth, democracy and secularism on the other. And it's not one or two countries. It's the world.

Yet you have said that Islam says democracy is the way to go. This is too easy. The only thing I have to do is quote you. How can you possibly believe all this? And wouldn't you expect an islamic democracy anyway? Because like you said, there are a hell of a lot of muslims. So you'd expect...

So are there Islamic democracies? Because the countries that I know that have Islam as an important part of their state structure are by no means Islamic. Is that yet another contradiction? And it's not selective reading. It was the second line FFS.

That's not hilarious. That's what I call a conspiracy. No, you're talking about a secular state. That's not what Freddy wants. I'm talking about Islamic democracies. Democracies which are solely based on the Quran. Are there such democracies, Freddy? Ze?

Very much like Islamic countries. They are also champions of human rights. Don't talk about democracy, if your rules talk about a ruler. Just a quick question: is there an islamic democracy in this world today?

You haven't? Prepare to meet Fred then.

So if you have this knowledge (and we all do, the ones who say they don't lie), how could you be a believer? How could you justify yourself?

Oh right, so now you don't even know what religious means. Dear God.

Yes, but that's what we know Martin. That's not what they say. It's one contradiction after another. It's a choice, yet it can never change. The whole thing is so filled with contradiction that no sane person with an IQ above 80 would believe in this.

What's funny is that muslims say they chose to be muslim, yet it is a fixed concept. They can't imagine choosing any other religion ever. Which leads me to believe that Islam is not a choice.

For argument's sake I'll settle for that. Kind of fucks you over doesn't it? It's really funny. Contradiction is something you religious freaks love apparently. No matter what Fred and Ze might claim, I've seen this happen too. I'm not implying that it's not their free choice or anything...

You also both like cookies and pussy.

We are suggested to control it at the same time. Then again, religion does tend to contradict itself on a regular basis. I've always found that very funny. It's such a weak theory that it even contradicts itself. I mean, that's bad. That's really really bad.

It's funny that you of all people should think of numbers as a good argument to support your cause. Because all know the role of democracy in the islamic world. You can have your retarded religion, I don't care. It'll die sooner or later.

Who cares about these silly matters? When an important question is at hand, it's always the religious people who are intolerant. And I mean ALWAYS. You know, if you could, you'd force me into respecting Islam. You might want to think about that for a second.