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After the recent developments, I think Seven's right. Blatter would have never taken back the decision, but with him gone, and all the additional coverage and public pressure resulting from the past few days, I believe it will happen.

Russia won't be moved, it's too late for that. Qatar, there's a chance.

The only one actually defending the Qatari WC is Fred. Swag is just pointing out that one of the reasons for opposing them hosting the tournament isn't very valid, that doesn't nullify all the other, much much more important arguments against it.

Yeah, I'm with Fred here. The conditions are pretty decent in November actually, so that argument is only partly effective. There are a few much more important reasons as to why Qatar shouldn't have been given the WC though.

It might be problematic image-wise, but it doesn't hurt anyone. Unlike their labour laws.

That't literally the last thing you should criticize the WC for. No one should be held responsible for the actions of a kin, unless he's personally involved of course.

:touched: But in general, this is exactly the problem. You can't categorically exclude countries due to exploitations of workers or human rights violations, as otherwise the WC would be hosted in maybe a few select European countries + US & Canada. And even there you'd certainly find some...

People can live perfectly fine in Qatar. The question is whether the climate is suitable for a football WC, and Fifa seems to agree that this is at least not the case in summer. Which is no problem really, as given there's enough time for all major leagues to adjust beforehand, a WC can of...

Though a portion of the remaining 25% still have a similar schedule as the Europeans :D And I wouldn't base it completely on players. What about regions where there are a lot of football fans, but not many good players playing there? It would be unfair as well imo to just strip them of the...

That's where I disagree. It's not that this figure should mean that every single tournament has to conform to the European schedule, but I'd argue for the broad majority of seasons to be organised in such a way. If 75% of players, + a couple more from non-European leagues playing with a...

The problem is that it's rather hard to decide where exactly to draw the line concerning your human rights issue. I mean, would China be okay? Thailand? Most African countries are governed somewhat autocratic. There are plenty of human rights violations in Brazil if you wanted to be strict...

He isn't arguing for Qatar in particular though, just against the unconditional rejection of a winter WC.

So you don't have an issue with a winter WC but with Qatar. Like me btw.

Interest was forbidden for the most time of christianity as well. That's why jewish have been unproportianally influential in the banking business, they were the only ones in medieval societies "allowed" to lend money.