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don't know how they work these out? if it is on this seasons results, the placings look kind of ok but the points given (particularly in cnnsi.com) don't really look realistic.

I know the point you're making but Van Nistelrooy is no one season wonder. His goal scoring started slowly in the league but is now in good form. He is the real deal.

agreed... if you look back at the world cup he pulled off some fantastic saves against Sweden and Argentina but, was let down by that huge mistake.

I can't remember either!:p

Rickenbacker, what the hey just to show you how super confident I am that united will DEFINATELY reach the quarter finals I will bet you £50 or something else, they do it.:lick:

:confused: yeah, yeah... I agree that the defencive stability aint as strong as it was way back when we won the champs league but, even though I fancy united going a long way, we're only stating that they will reach the quarter finals not win it. I'm sure you saw united reach the semi's last...

I think we should eat our hats if they don't;)

I would agree that if we get an injury to van nistelrooy we're screwed but, the rest of the squad when fit is pretty strong. Sir Alex made a big mistake selling Jaap, however they've replaced him with Rio who is a better all round player. We do need another striker though... Last season the team...

I can't see why you would question these two teams making progress at the moment, although united did go through a patchy spell. However, they both have great form at present and great pedigree in the champions league. Who would you suggest progressing instead of these two from the list?

I can't argue with this selection since all these teams are in good form except perhaps Inter. It just remains to be seen who can maintain their form.

something I do agree with you... Arsenal do deserve respect even if as you said before they didn't progress as they should in Europe.

:mute: ok I got it wrong, however Real actually won it 3 times: 1994/95 1996/97 2000/01 Before that, they won it 1989/90. Just for reference I'll show all their league triumphs for you. 1931/32 1932/33 1953/54 1954/55 1956/57 1957/58 1960/61 1961/62 1962/63 1963/64...

God is in the details... Milans achievements span six years whereas Reals spans a mere... 12 years

You could make those excuses about Mendietta and all the other Spanish flops, then again you could also follow my reasoning that he was in an environment alien to him and couldn't cope... If you're not making confrontations why are you still stating the stuff below.

How do you know all this, are you looking into a crystal ball or something? It's funny how you are trying to generate a confrontation by continually pitting the EPL against La Liga and Man United against Real. If I remember correctly my orriginal post related to the hysteria over Real's...

Denco man, you say a lot of stuff but I just don't hear what you say... Who said anything about ManU winning La Liga, Arsenal not ManU are champions. If Real were consistant (which is what I have been trying to drum into your head) they probably would win the EPL but, if they remain inconsistant...

The point is, to bring reality and proportion to the whole Real Madrid thing. Lets see what this team does, then we can have a song and dance or whatever. I agree it certainly isn't easy to win both. It certainly isn't easy to do the treble a la manutd! or win the leugue as many times as they...

If that's devaluing the competition do you think the old style European CUP was a devalued competition. Again, to emphasize my point, since 1990 Real won the league 3 times: 1994/95 1996/97 2000/01 They recently won the Champs League these years: 97/98 99/00 01/02 As you can...

my last post relates to Paranoia's comments...

That's impressive in the past but lets talk about the recent Real Madrid. Nobody can deny the quality or potential of Real at the moment but I don't really respect their recent achievements that much... To me, a team like the great AC Milan side of the early 90's that, won European Cups and...