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I was with you until the unnecessary and by now extremely boring second paragraph. I've never liked the EL and consider it a shit competition for second rate and failed CL teams. And the coefficient points given for it are laughable. However, some regular big CL teams have used it as a...

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It's a misleading stat though, as there have been numerous great Italian coaches in that time, and many very good ones, probably more so than any other country. I know, I know, Italian coaches are all boring and play catenaccio, but they are pretty handy on the whole.

We don't like him anymore? It's hard to keep up.

Where would you put Zidane in a Juve legends top 50? And then where would you put Nedved, roughly speaking?

Cristiano Ronaldo did more for Man Utd than Zidane did for Juventus. I agree with your idea but not the analogy, for that reason. I think the difference is that Ronaldo's career is essentially with two clubs, as he left Sporting so young and arrived at Juventus towards the end of his career...

Yes but you can see by my points what my thoughts are.

It's a personal choice (I don't decide who goes into which section) but I wouldn't say he was a Juve legend, no. Serie A was very competitive then but in terms of personal and team the output was fairly modest in his 5 years. What can't be denied was his brilliant talent. But I do tend to agree...

Cause this isn't Real Madrid forum.

Yeah he is, he's a good coach who suits Real Madrid and their egos, he gives players the freedom they need. Also the worst Barcelona for about 15 years.

Moggi lol

He'll coach us one day but hopefully it's a few years away.

I agree that you can't just say everything is luck but he's clearly had almost every key moment go his way. That isn't down to just luck because you aren't consistently lucky, you make your own and Madrid do that by winning the tournament and having super confidence even if they lose a goal...

He's written history regardless what people think of him. I think he's a lot better than many consider him to be, but it's also right that he won't gain as much respect until he wins it elsewhere.

Even Juve Stabia wouldn't set the team up so poor tactically. The clubs are just chalk and cheese and coaches approach objectives in a different way, different philosophy.

Zidane's sale was a great deal for both sides, no one could lose in that.

Make Juventuz great again!

Basically 90s fashion in general didn't know what it really wanted to do.

Perez hushed Mendoza down when he tried to present this at Real Madrid's last AGM. In the end it gets covered exterior to Real Madrid CF, someone keeps picking up the bill. We don't have that luxury to fall back on, we aren't the team of a council, region, government, monarchy and nation.