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weird enough that you all read the huge post yet no one commented on this

who the fuck is craig?:faq1:

trezgol might go to milan :(

Here the analogy between the world and the chess board breaks down. Nothing exists outside the universe, its unimaginable. on the otherhand there is existence outside the chessboard. We are arguing how existence came to be, this is the highest problem you can think of.

calm down both of you this is just a debate

oh so you are like me then :)

i think yes but he will deny it :D As for you, you should be able outline exactly answers to two questions: 1) Why believe that God exists? If you answered (1) objectively then 2) Why Islam and not Christianity or Judaism or any other religions. If every Muslim started really asking himself...

Same thing for them atheists too. It too is a belief system

I agree with this. I see belief is a habit of culture. Almost not 1 muslim I know knows exactly why he is muslim. Same thing for christians

Seven becoming a theist:lol:

I have something to say here but I'll just see what will happen with you guys.

dogma is unexplainable by definition : SUPERNATURAL don't try to make sense of it. Just believe it or don't

I think we totally agree not just fundamentally :) Yes. How do we arrive at their existence? i have no clue beyond scripture... they don't even fill holes. This is part of religion. too late, they already started :oops:

Haha welcome to my club:mark:

Read martin and dpforlife's posts or re-read mine. You will see that we arrived at a problem, which was that everything natural (everything humans know or experience in anyway/ anything inside the chessboard) cannot be the cause of the universe. This is what we know. I KNOW that the...

Absolutely fantastic example by martin and you:mark: We come to know natural laws, like everything, through induction. And in practice causality is always true and this makes us project it as a Law that applies to everything. My argument was that we cannot know how the world started except by...

lmfao

Kid: Mommy who created the world? Mom: God created it honey. Kid: Who created God? Mom: No one did The simple dialog that happens between many children and their parents all over the world holds a question that some people discuss everyday and other people never think of since the time they had...