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They're obviously lying. A muslim would never say Jesus was a minor prophet, he is one of the most respected and revered prophets in Islam, he is also one of the most mentioned prophets in the Koran.

Which speaks volumes.

I'd never say that about you, you know that :kiss:

@Martin, Whats the difference between you judging women wearing Hijab and me judging homosexuals?

Ya, i'm sure thats the only reason. Afterall, whoever doesn't embrace your absolute truth must have some kind of agenda.

Wait are you saying that she's willingly letting go of her freedom, Z? Thats impossible.

When i bother to show up?

Wow, i love how you infer things from thin air sometimes??!!:frown: But as consolation, at least i always know that you think of me as interesting in discussion :heart:

I'm not with forcing any girl to wear hijab. Once she's old enough she can choose if she wants to wear it or not. At least for me, and in my family that is the case.

Which means that yet again it all ends pointlessly and in a stalemate like all other religious discussions between theists and atheists. So whats new?

Neither would you. Probability suggests that i would be closer to the truth though as i have encountered and met much more muslim women than you have.

I wasn't discussing social and economic systems. It was just an analogy. If you're asking me if the psychological principle you were suggesting is true in the case of muslim women wearing hijab. My answer is, for the majority of them no.

He doesn't think he's deceiving people though. He really believes that if he were a communist. Take off communist, put in Martin, and there's my point.

A communist would say the same of wage workers and would use this very same argument.

Nope it isn't women's choice. Even foreign women are forced to wear the "3abaya".

I think you're making assumptions based on your own prejudices, i think your assumptions are baseless, i think the confidence in which you express your assumptions is laughable and arrogant and i think you haven't met or spoken to enough muslim women if any at all. As in obligate by law...

Ya i'm sure you got them all figured out.

I never said non muslim women wanted to wear a scarf over their head. Muslim women meanwhile, at least the large majority of them wear it out of choice. There are many women that work here and live alone, their brothers/fathers/ etc are not with them. Yet they still wear veils. But...

Oh god. Your sure, are you? No point discussing anything anymore with you guys when you make baseless assumptions, and just say that you're sure about it.

It is of course religiously driven. But like i said before it is not required nor compulsory to cover the face in Islam. If you read the whole thread i was asking if there were any muslims here that were in favor of the burqa, because i really want to know what their reasoning is in regards to...