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Believe me, its just as painful for me. :D Btw, i had to google that last word :P

Nah man, you know i love Diego. He's the greatest player ever to live, hands down. I'm just showing Stephan how flawed his argument is.

But going by your logic Ronaldo and Maradona aren't really legends, are they? They didn't win the CL afterall.

Did you really not get the point? I rate Maldini, of course i do, he's the best defender i've ever watched play. How many times do i have to make that clear? I used the Maldini Vs G.Neville example to show how flawed the arguments using team honors are.

So Maradona wasn't much of a player, huh? He never won it. Neither did Ronaldo(The real fat one) btw. He isn't much of a player too i guess.

How many league titles has he won, and in how many years. And for anyone who thinks that i actually rate Neville anywhere close to Maldini (:lol:), of course i don't. Just showing the flaw in rating players using team accomplishments.

You're definitely right here. Thats why i'll never understand arguments like "whose the best in [Insert team] history" How can you assess a player that you haven't watched? On the basis of team honors? Then 30 years from now, you'd find people who'd argue that G.Neville was one of the...

So the people who voted in this poll have seen all those players play? Or are you judging them based on "what you read", youtube videos etc?

Maybe he is\was but you cant say for sure,can you? you havent watched the damn guy play, relying on statistics and a few videos isnt enough. I mean you cant have it two ways, by your logic statistics and videos are enough to pass judgement on a player you've never watched play. Oh and for...

so a credible source and youtube would be enough to judge a player i havent watched??

i know but you think its ok to judge a player you never watched, because you saw videos of his and did a little reading right? Doesnt that mean i can judge any player that plays in any given league using wikipedia and youtube?

Yes i think that this poll is pointless anyway, how many people have watched Scirea play for example? a thread about the best Italian player in the past 15-20 years would have been more appropriate. Oh and out of curiosity Burke, do you think one can judge a player based on youtube videos??

Completely agreed. You cant really answer the question because you havent watched Mueller play. Videos and highlights are not enough to make a good enough judgement imo.

Thats a good point :D

that doesnt make sense, how can you judge a player you havent watched?? And dont say its about "honors" and "what you won", because by that argument, G.Neville really is one of the best defenders that ever lived and Giggs is probably the best player at club level in the 90's.

i didnt watch 90% of those players, pointless to vote really, but from the players i watched, its Maldini hands down.