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Today's result has surely put the final nail in the coffin of this thread

Obviously you're right as it doesn't matter when you win the games as long as you win them I only meant to say that when you get to the stage where the final results is somewhat out of your own control it becomes all about luck, and a little hollow

As much as I want Juve to finish as high as possible, we don't actually deserve 4th spot and we're not good enough to make it. When it gets to the point where the results of other teams are just as important as our results we've already failed. If we make it it'll be a fluke...