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so does arnold shwarze...swh...BIG ARNIE

but surely he was the greatestestist footballer player to ever kick a ball in the goal? i am in total agreement with you on this seven, even though our choice of best italian may differ we are not blinded to the fact that baggio was not the legend he COULD have been

oh i never said he was the man who lost italy the final in 94, i am not that dumb. i also did not say that teams struggled without him in their line-up, what i said is that they relied on him far too heavily, they were one-man teams and when he did not play(as in was quiet and played not...

but you still seem to be missing the point that football is a TEAM game and truly great players can still win awards while not trying to be a one-man-team. baggio's skills lent him to being capable of destroying teams, but it also halted his own sides ability to function without him,when baggio...

about baggio-yes he was a fantastic player BUT,while he set the world alight with his individual brilliance he did it to the detriment of his team mates most of the time. while i would say he was more talented than delpie that does not make him better! delpie shows a humility,a willing to work...

i think i love you that is like the argument i had with that ascension guy who claimed that nesta and cannavaro were the greatest defenders ever to play the game,refused to acknowledge any past great because he "didn't see them play" so in his mind that meant that they could not have been that...

as fantastic as Gigi is he still has a bit to go to match the legend that is Dino Zoff

oh i agree that team honours are not simply the mark of greatness,but they unarguably point to a players standing in history. this,afterall is a results based sport! baggio was fantastic, a player of immense skill but when you look back at history he was not that succesful

ok but if you put in personal honours it is very rare that a defender is given recognition for their work,Baggio won 2 serie A titles and a coppa Italia. on the european stage he won nothing,for me the only man who comes close to Scirea is Maldini(who just edges Baresi as Milans greatest) both...

right so do you want this to be a "who was the most technically gifted Italian ever" or who was the greatest? club honours (and international) are the benchmark you really want to set,he won EVERYTHING apart from a european championship with Italy. when you win every european competition,the...

My personal top 3 and what they won, maldini is for sure the greatest of his generation but one man pips him to the title IMO that man is Scirea who won EVERY club tournament possible Gaetano Scirea-Honours * 1974-75, 76-77, 77-78, 80-81, 81-82, 83-84, 85-86 Serie A * 1978-79, 82-83...