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All defenders had "bad" games in the matches against Barcelona and Bayern because of the tactics by both managers. Do you think Thuram would do any better against the likes of Ronaldinho and Etoo? Or perhaps the fact we always field a wall of four to protect our defense has no bearing in this...

What's your point? Thuram played absolutely horrible against Liverpool when we needed him the most. Both legs he made mistakes he shouldn't have made. If you ever watch Carvalho you'd see his tackling is superb and he's very good in the air. He's not as good as Thuram with the ball, though...

Nowadays, Carvalho is a better stopper than Thuram. They both are about equal in terms of ground tackling, however Carvalho is better than Lilian in the air. That's what sets them apart, as slight of a difference as it may be.

Actually, Carvalho is probably slightly better than Thuram, however IMO he's on par with Cannavaro. Of course Thuram and Terry do not share the same qualities, however Lilian is a better tackler and John is better in the air. All in all, both central defense pairings are about equal. Juventus...

Well to be fair here, I think the quality of both sets of squads is about equal. The defenses of both clubs are about on par with each other, with Gallas, Carvalho, Terry, and Ferriera matching up rather well with Zambrotta, Cannavaro, Thuram, and Zebina respectively. In midfield Chelsea has...