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Maybe we would have lost if we weren't doping.. its not like the match was fixed. Do you know of the investigations that went on etc..?

but is it true?

I dont watch the Bundesliga but I've seen Dortmund's entire CL run almost and Hummels always looked shaky and error prone to me in defense. It is either that he is overrated by lots of people or I just happen to see him at his worse every time. Whats the deal about Juve doping in the 1996 CL...

Alonso is old you know.. you cant expect him to perform week in week out like he did at liverpool. Liverpool collapsed after his departure despite having exactly the same squad and coach (with a few signings) the next season. He is over-worked with madrid, just like what we do to Pirlo.

:agree: Mourinho's teams always had one hell of a defense without compromising their counter attacking abilities. Zannetti, Lucio, Samuel and Maicon are classes above the likes of Pepe, varane, Coentrao, marcelo, Ramos etc. His back four at chelsea were superior to the madrid 4 too. Even in...

in-form robben > in-form ribery in my books.

Ronaldo? Definitely. Di Maria.. I dont think so. He too is very inconsistent.

They have many star players Robbery both stand out ofcoarse. But if we'll fit someone into our formation then its Gomes and Mandzukic. They'd instantly jup our quality by a huge margin (only because our attack is just pathetic)

Ballon D'or? his contribution is limited to the second half of their season. Schweini should win it imo

Change of tactics, new starting players, increased depth and increased experience.

He just cannot compete with a squad like this under a coach like Heynckes. Robben, Robery, Gomez, Schweini, Lahm and likes are world class very experienced players for both club and country. The young guns and new purchases have blended in beautifully and added intensity to their game. They have...

There were 2 handball incidents that should have been penalties for Bayern. Barca were outplayed everywhere on the pitch even more than Juve were. I guess now people can understand Conte's comments about Bayern being on a different level than Juve instead of the constant moaning about...

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link please quickly

Lets see how this defeat affects their Serie A form:claire:

Diego Lopez is man of the match

yeah especially in big matches. Rooney is one hell of a player to bring in when Madrid players grow tired though.

Interesting

Any Juventus. Maybe the Primavera:jvefan:

I dont think we'll waste the chelsea thrashing by losing to Shakhtar. Nords can surprise chelsea too