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And you know, I'm not saying that this was a bad result or that it wasn't a good result. It's a very good result. I'm just sad that an away draw in Europa League group stages became a very good, an excellent result for Juve that is being celebrated by Juve fans and the pro-Juve newspaper :(

I'm saying that back in the days Juve, or Tuttosport, weren't going to be masturbating over an Uefa Cup group stage draw against any team.

Awful. Tuttosport is masturbating over a draw against a no-name team like Manchester City. They even call it a "great draw in Manchester". Back in the days this was gonna be considered a relatively bad result, or at least an ok result.

Definitely. We have a perfect angle on the picture above. The post is hiding 1/2 of the ball which clearly says that it isn't a goal, since, in order for that to be a goal, the whole ball needs to be behind the line and from the angle we're given the post shouldn't hide any part of the ball...

Good to see that there is no division between their black and their white players. Tevez :heart:

It did, but have in mind that for biggest part of the match our defense was consisted of 8, sometimes 9 men. Less space for City and less space to cover for our guys. Less space for them to fuck up too. The improvement in the defense will be seen on matches where we aren't big outsiders and...

I'm saying it in the sense that we know nothing more compared to what we knew before the match.

Not much can be taken from this match, simply because we won't be put in a position more than 2-3 times a year to play an away match as big outsiders and defend in numbers all match long, waiting for a counter. We did the defending job fine though but like I said, it tells a little because our...

Krasic might turn out to be a very strong character and all these praises might not affect him in a negative way, but until we know if he has the stomach for these praises, I wish they all stop calling him our best player, our leader and a player Juve depends on. Keep those praises for Del...

:D Truth to be told, it looks like a very solid team that has both quality and amazing physical attributes. I didn't watch them at all this year, so I might easily be wrong, but looking at the names in the team it should be something similar to Mourinho's teams, or Capello's teams, where...

Boooooooooooooo :tdown: :D

Amauri will be out for 3 weeks, so if you want a 4-5-1, then put Iaquinta's name as lone striker :) Edit: Now I see that Amauri might be back earlier, but he's surely out of this match vs City.

These are sure starters imo: Storari xxxxx Bonucci xxxxx xxxxx Krasic Melo Marchisio Pepe Iaquinta DelPiero In the defense I'm not sure what to expect. It's not clear what is the problem with Motta (Has something been announced today?). If there is some problem between Del Neri and Motta or if...

Not that it means much, but here are all the goalscorers and assistman in CL and EL for Juve after Calciopoli: 1. Del Piero 12 (9 goals+ 3 assists) 2. Amauri 8 (7+1) 3. Trezeguet 5 (3+2) 4. Iaquinta 4 (4+0) 5. Chiellini 4 (4+0) 6. Camoranesi 4 (2+2) 7. Diego 4 (0+4) 8. Legrottaglie 2 (2+0) 9...