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I wouldn't be surprised at all Angela. I have been to San Siro a few times, and the stadium is actually a redevelopment of 1920s original part, so its actually pretty old in some part of the stadium. I mean some of the toilets in the dressing room is those ancient ones with no sitting stuff on...

I guess this is the biggest tragedy of the whole saga. A person dies, and yet we are talking about not being able to bring anyone to justice. Worse still, this will send message to the Ultras (or rather irresponsible members of this group) that Italian jurisdical process, clubs, F.A, and fellow...

I do share with you that riots could be just moved away from inside to outside. And if we think about it, the current debacle precisely happened outside anyway. In this sense, I do think employing the English model of majority of trained police force to ensure outside satefy and privately hired...

Well, I guess its a question of whether the glass is half empty or half full. Personally, I see no reason as to why Italian Clubs would want to have Ultras in their stadium. The crowd disturbances are causing them as a serious loss of revenues from gate receipts. They are far more valuable than...

I guess as you have said it may not be possible given the close link with the club and the ultras. But I do want to give it a go for solution that keep their vibrancy and at the same time curb down violence. The point I wanted to make and I am sure I am in agreement with you wholly on this...

Oh I agree with your point. Normal Ultras can be terrific. I don't how things are in Spain since I only seen Real playing friendly against Milan, 4-5 years back, but I preferred Italia stadium atmosphere than English. Ultras really get the atmosphere going, and make the place vibrant. I heard...

Good post vlatko:pint: . As I have said, I like the unique culture created within the match game by the ultras. I have been to both Serie A and Premiership matches, but for me, at least, I found Serie A matches to be a bit more tense, and orchestrated than say EPL. As you said, the issue...

Rebel, if anythingelse the values in the link you provided for us (thanks a lot again, you are truly the informer in this board:pint:) is unestimating the financial value of Italian game. Serie A, IMHO, is highly unmarketed compared to its full potential, and with good management it is only...

The real issue for me is not banning Ultras per se. When I went to see Inter vs Sampdoria in San Siro in 1996/97 season, and I thought the atmosphere in the stadium was terrific, especially calling out players name through microphone, and everyone chanting the name. But what really bothers me...

Employees from the team could lit fireworks for the fans. I see why they can't be substitute to current fireworks. The matter of fact is, in Italia, fireworks seems to be a thing of Ultras. Now that they cannot prove to be reasonable with such thing, sorry, your right to enjoy such previlige...

They should keep files on the ultras and ban them if anything happens. And please increase the secuirty check. I have been to a share of matches myself, but I really don't see the need for bags etc. I bet some people are smuggling all kind of things from those bags. Nobody should die over a game...