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  1. isha00

    Not only Juve involved in wiretaps scandal

    The phone tap of Facchetti is incredibly similar at the ones we read of Moggi at the beginning fo this scandal. All media were pointing at how scandalous it was that Moggi talked on the phone with Bergamo and Pairetto. Now they are mute. No match fixing has been proved or confirmed yet.
  2. isha00

    Not only Juve involved in wiretaps scandal

    Yeah, you're right. In fact I think that the most serious danger for us is the verdict the media have already emitted. This is what can kill us. Like you said, no one is completely innocent. But how many of them are that guilty to get relegated? There should be violation of the 6th art. This...
  3. isha00

    Not only Juve involved in wiretaps scandal

    Yeah, I know, but I was discussing with Matteo, he mentioned that it could happen, I told him that, in that case, "the fact will be that law and constitutional rights have no meaning in Italy" :wink:
  4. isha00

    Not only Juve involved in wiretaps scandal

    They are not, since the sportive judges have a degree in law like any other judge and if you can appeal, after the first sportive verdict, to ordinary courts (such as Tar, Consiglio di Stato, Cassazione). To relegate us they will have to find an illicit, to make sure the relegation will stand...
  5. isha00

    Not only Juve involved in wiretaps scandal

    1) You really think mistakes are all in our favour? Well, I don't know what to say. The only difference between mistakes for and against us and other teams, is that the ones in our favour are highlighted and the others are not. 2) If we will be relegated and found guilty without proof, the fact...
  6. isha00

    Not only Juve involved in wiretaps scandal

    How can be YOU so sure? On blind faith on what is being written? Before being a Juventina, I'm an Italian citizen, and I REFUSE to believe that whoever can be considered guilty without proof. I don't care if it's Moggi or Berlusconi we are talking about. If it happens, what Moggi tells...
  7. isha00

    Not only Juve involved in wiretaps scandal

    It depends a lot, other than on the illicit they find, on who is at the head of these clubs and how far are their tifosi willing to go to save them.
  8. isha00

    Not only Juve involved in wiretaps scandal

    Matteo, we are paying for everyone, without a proof, without a verdict. This can't be. If they will find something, ok, we'll go to B (not alone, of course), but till then, we are innocent. Have you heard about the uomo nero? The one who has decided to "buttare la pasta". Well, I'm not gonna...
  9. isha00

    Not only Juve involved in wiretaps scandal

    That's right. And I hate we consider our matches fixed without having real proof, only following what Gazzetta (or whatever) writes. It's like suicide, also because the decision of the sportive trial will be highly influenced by what people think. If we ourselves think we are guilty only on...
  10. isha00

    Not only Juve involved in wiretaps scandal

    Oh, really? And where is the proof of that?