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    Quote Originally Posted by king Ale View Post
    Did he win the world cup and the CL in the same year? I think the year Spain won the world cup Inter won the CL. And Messi ended up winning the Ballon d'Or.
    I think you are right my memory is vague. Wasnt Iniesta at least a Euro + CL winner and Messi took it?

    That world cup year, Sneijder won the CL and was WC finalists and it went to Messi. Cant remember the Euro year.

    I wouldnt be surprised if Ronaldo wins it is all I am saying and actually I prefer he wins it for our sake.
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    dunno if it was posted, but they also tried to equalize while croatian players were celebrating mandzu's goal:



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    Quote Originally Posted by Hist View Post
    I think you are right my memory is vague. Wasnt Iniesta at least a Euro + CL winner and Messi took it?

    That world cup year, Sneijder won the CL and was WC finalists and it went to Messi. Cant remember the Euro year.

    I wouldnt be surprised if Ronaldo wins it is all I am saying and actually I prefer he wins it for our sake.
    2008, Xavi was their best player, but ManU (CR) won the CL
    2010, Iniesta was their best player, but inter (Sneijder i guess) won the CL
    2012, Iniesta was again their dominant man, but Chelsea won the CL

    but FIFA balon dor is flawed anyway, captains and coaches of NTs voting is BS due to bias towards certain players
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    Quote Originally Posted by zizinho View Post
    2008, Xavi was their best player, but ManU (CR) won the CL
    2010, Iniesta was their best player, but inter (Sneijder i guess) won the CL
    2012, Iniesta was again their dominant man, but Chelsea won the CL

    but FIFA balon dor is flawed anyway, captains and coaches of NTs voting is BS due to bias towards certain players
    I think they changed it back to football journalists choosing the winner. For a few years it was integrated with the Fifa player of the year award and the winner was chosen as mentioned.

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    Quote Originally Posted by il brutto View Post
    I think they changed it back to football journalists choosing the winner. For a few years it was integrated with the Fifa player of the year award and the winner was chosen as mentioned.
    2 or 3 year ago, they did. but as far as back from 2008 (i think, maybe a bit later), it was FIFA&France Football together
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    Quote Originally Posted by zizinho View Post
    2 or 3 year ago, they did. but as far as back from 2008 (i think, maybe a bit later), it was FIFA&France Football together
    They changed it back.

    Now you have balon d'or and fifa world player of the year, two different prizes.

    Edit.. i guess we are saying the same thing

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hist View Post
    I think you are right my memory is vague. Wasnt Iniesta at least a Euro + CL winner and Messi took it?

    That world cup year, Sneijder won the CL and was WC finalists and it went to Messi. Cant remember the Euro year.

    I wouldnt be surprised if Ronaldo wins it is all I am saying and actually I prefer he wins it for our sake.
    Iniesta won the Euros in 2008 (it went to Ronaldo who won the CL) and 2012 (it went to Messi who didn't win the CL).

    In 2010 he won the league and the World Cup, but was eliminated in CL by Inter. Oddly enough it still went to Messi that year.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Seven View Post
    Iniesta won the Euros in 2008 (it went to Ronaldo who won the CL) and 2012 (it went to Messi who didn't win the CL).

    In 2010 he won the league and the World Cup, but was eliminated in CL by Inter. Oddly enough it still went to Messi that year.

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    unpopular opinion, 2010 should have went to Robben. he carried Bayern to almost a treble by himself, they were pretty mediocre before that. and he had a good WC, before that miss vs Casillas in the final. inter without Sneijder were he much better team than Bayern without Robben, so that one game (which Milito shined in), shouldnt have been the decider, if it came down to one between the 2. but Messi was just the worst choice, crap world cup and shut down vs inter in the CL. atleast his Barcelona teammates won the WC
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    Quote Originally Posted by zizinho View Post
    unpopular opinion, 2010 should have went to Robben. he carried Bayern to almost a treble by himself, they were pretty mediocre before that. and he had a good WC, before that miss vs Casillas in the final. inter without Sneijder were he much better team than Bayern without Robben, so that one game (which Milito shined in), shouldnt have been the decider, if it came down to one between the 2. but Messi was just the worst choice, crap world cup and shut down vs inter in the CL. atleast his Barcelona teammates won the WC
    Wasnt that the year Messi score over 90 goals in one year. That was the excuse. He scored 90 goals and Barca ended up winning Copa Del Rey.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Seven View Post
    Iniesta won the Euros in 2008 (it went to Ronaldo who won the CL) and 2012 (it went to Messi who didn't win the CL).

    In 2010 he won the league and the World Cup, but was eliminated in CL by Inter. Oddly enough it still went to Messi that year.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Seven View Post
    Lol. Forget about Belgium. World Cups without the big teams aren't interesting. I'd much rather see Italy-Germany and Brazil-France as semi-finals.
    It's just in our heads. If Brasil faced Argentina and Italy faced Germany in the semis, we'd automatically found those game more interesting, no matter the football on display. Croatia and Belgium right now are (much) better than Italy and Argentina. Yet people would much rather have the latter.
    Why? Because this is the first semifinal ever without any of BRA, GER, ITA and ARG. There was always at least one, and most of the times there were 2 or 3 of these teams in the semis of the previous 20 World Cups. We are used to their rivalries and we see order when we see these teams in a WC semifinal. Now we see chaos and we don't like chaos.
    Order will be restored soon. These countries are too big in population and football wise not to be back.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alen View Post
    It's just in our heads. If Brasil faced Argentina and Italy faced Germany in the semis, we'd automatically found those game more interesting, no matter the football on display. Croatia and Belgium right now are (much) better than Italy and Argentina. Yet people would much rather have the latter.
    Why? Because this is the first semifinal ever without any of BRA, GER, ITA and ARG. There was always at least one, and most of the times there were 2 or 3 of these teams in the semis of the previous 20 World Cups. We are used to their rivalries and we see order when we see these teams in a WC semifinal. Now we see chaos and we don't like chaos.
    Order will be restored soon. These countries are too big in population and football wise not to be back.
    Oh I agree, definitely . But that's part of the attraction too.

    Belgium will be here to stay for another 3-4 years imo. We have talented younger back ups for most positions. The only real problem I see for us in the near future is Hazard's age. He'll be 31 at the next World Cup and he does rely on speed, so I don't know how well he'll hold up. There's no young player who is close to as good as he is.

    For Croatia I think this was most likely their final chance of WC success. Modric will be 33 soon (though you really wouldn't say so at all imo) and Mandzukic is 32. Rakitic is 30 and Perisic is 29 (ffs Croatians really age well), so even they probably won't make the next World Cup.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Seven View Post
    Oh I agree, definitely . But that's part of the attraction too.

    Belgium will be here to stay for another 3-4 years imo. We have talented younger back ups for most positions. The only real problem I see for us in the near future is Hazard's age. He'll be 31 at the next World Cup and he does rely on speed, so I don't know how well he'll hold up. There's no young player who is close to as good as he is.

    For Croatia I think this was most likely their final chance of WC success. Modric will be 33 soon (though you really wouldn't say so at all imo) and Mandzukic is 32. Rakitic is 30 and Perisic is 29 (ffs Croatians really age well), so even they probably won't make the next World Cup.
    Belgium has the kids of African origin and money to stand a chance. The Netherlands came out of nowhere in the 1970s and now are considered a big NT, which at least once in a decade would be there playing WC or EC finals or semifinals. I expect something similar from Belgium.
    Croatia will be super lucky if in 20 years some new quality generation pops up. But in the near future we won't be anywhere around top 10. Croatia is too small to stay at the top on regular or semi-regular basis.

    It's gonna be about the biggest teams again in the future. This WC was an anomaly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Seven View Post
    Oh I agree, definitely . But that's part of the attraction too.

    Belgium will be here to stay for another 3-4 years imo. We have talented younger back ups for most positions. The only real problem I see for us in the near future is Hazard's age. He'll be 31 at the next World Cup and he does rely on speed, so I don't know how well he'll hold up. There's no young player who is close to as good as he is.

    For Croatia I think this was most likely their final chance of WC success. Modric will be 33 soon (though you really wouldn't say so at all imo) and Mandzukic is 32. Rakitic is 30 and Perisic is 29 (ffs Croatians really age well), so even they probably won't make the next World Cup.
    do Belgium have a lot of up and coming talents? from the guys that lost to France, I don't expect Mertens, Carrasco, Witsel, Fellaini, Kompany, Dembele to be there in 4 years. their biggest stars in de Bruyne, Hazard, Courtois and Lukaku will probably still be playing at top level (I have some doubts about Lukaku though), but a lot of good utility players are going away

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    Quote Originally Posted by pitbull View Post
    do Belgium have a lot of up and coming talents? from the guys that lost to France, I don't expect Mertens, Carrasco, Witsel, Fellaini, Kompany, Dembele to be there in 4 years. their biggest stars in de Bruyne, Hazard, Courtois and Lukaku will probably still be playing at top level (I have some doubts about Lukaku though), but a lot of good utility players are going away
    Carrasco is 24. He'll be there and he'll be better. Lukaku is 25, same goes for him. Mertens, Witsel, Fellaini, Kompany and Dembele will be out. Tielemans (21) and Praet (24) will be major players in four years time. Praet has improved a lot by playing in the Serie A and Tielemans is too talented not to be the next big thing. With those two we are going to have a killer and much more dynamic midfield. We have several young and talented defenders, but the jury is still out on them.

    Our biggest benefit is that these days players seem to preserve athletic ability for a bit longer than they used to (e.g. Modric). It would mean De Bruyne and Hazard (both 31 at the next World Cup) will still be playing at the highest level and we definitely don't have replacements for those two.
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    Isnt Carrasco playing in China nowadays? Not sure players only get better over there

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    Quote Originally Posted by Seven View Post
    Carrasco is 24. He'll be there and he'll be better. Lukaku is 25, same goes for him. Mertens, Witsel, Fellaini, Kompany and Dembele will be out. Tielemans (21) and Praet (24) will be major players in four years time. Praet has improved a lot by playing in the Serie A and Tielemans is too talented not to be the next big thing. With those two we are going to have a killer and much more dynamic midfield. We have several young and talented defenders, but the jury is still out on them.

    Our biggest benefit is that these days players seem to preserve athletic ability for a bit longer than they used to (e.g. Modric). It would mean De Bruyne and Hazard (both 31 at the next World Cup) will still be playing at the highest level and we definitely don't have replacements for those two.
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    Is he really? joking of course.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pitbull View Post
    Isnt Carrasco playing in China nowadays? Not sure players only get better over there
    He is playing in China, but word is it is because of a financial construction with Atletico's main sponsor (which really shows how sick some parts of football are).

    Carrasco is expected to leave China somewhere next year.

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